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>> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING, THE I AM JUDY WOODRUFF AND WELCOME TO THE "PBS NEWSHOUR" SPECIAL UNINTERRUPTED COVERAGE OF THE ONLY VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF THIS 2020 ELECTION.

IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AND CALIFORNIA SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS WILL BE ON THE STAGE AT KINGSBURY HALL ON THE CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH IN SALT LAKE CITY.

PENCE HAS SERVED UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS, SENATOR HARRIS HAS MADE HISTORY BY BEING THE FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR TO BE NOMINATED BY A MAJOR POLITICAL PARTY TO SERVE AS VICE PRESIDENT.

THEY MEET AT A TIME OF MAXIMUM UPHEAVAL IN THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, PRESIDENT TRUMP TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE CORONAVIRUS JUST TWO DAYS AFTER HIS DEBATE LAST WEEK WITH FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN.

A DEBATE IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT MADE HEADLINES FOR HIS AGGRESSIVE APPROACH REPEATEDLY INTERRUPTING BIDEN AND THE MODERATOR.

BOTH THE PENCE AND HARRIS CAMPS SAY THEY HAVE TESTED NEGATIVE FOR COVID BUT BECAUSE OF THE PRESIDENT'S DIAGNOSIS ADDITIONAL SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES HAVE BEEN INSTITUTED FOR THIS DEBATE.

AT THE REQUEST OF THE BIDEN HARRIS CAMPAIGN.

PLEXIGLAS BARRIERS HAVE BEEN PLACED BETWEEN CANDIDATES WHO WILL BE SEATED, TONIGHT'S MODERATOR IS SUSAN PAGE OF USA TODAY.

I AM IN OUR NEWSHOUR STUDIO, OUR REPORT SEARCH, AND ANALYSTS WILL JOIN US REMOTELY SO WE CAN STAY SAFE, YAMICHE ALCINDOR, AND CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA DESJARDINS WHO IS COVERING THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN.

SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT AMNA NAWAZ WHO WILL BE WATCHING THE DEBATE WITH A HALF A DOZEN VOTERS LINKED IN VIRTUALLY FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

PLUS AMY WALTER OF THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT ALONG WITH "WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST JONATHAN CAPEHART, AND ELIANA JOHNSON, EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE WASHINGTON FREEBIE CON AND I WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT.

A QUICK WORD FIRST FROM YAMICHE AND LISA, YAMICHE, WHAT IS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HOPING COMES FROM THIS DEBATE WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT?

>> WELL, THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE DELIVERING NOT A MORE BRASH DEFENSE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BUT SHE GOING TO BE DELIVERING A VERY DEFENSE, A VERY POINT, POIGNANT DEFENSE OF THAT HE IS THE HEAD OF THE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE SO TALK A LOT ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK THEY DID RIGHT AND ALSO GOING TO BE MAKING THE POINT THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROTESTERS IS OUT OF HAND, AFRICAN-AMERICAN BUSINESS OWNERS WHOSE BUSINESS WAS PICTURE AND DESTROYED DURING THE PROTESTS AFTER GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH.

>> Woodruff: AND, LISA, WHAT ABOUT THE BIDEN HARRIS CAMPAIGN, WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING FOR?

>> ..

THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS TODAY SAYING PENCE CAN BE A VERY SMOOTH OPERATOR WHEN IT COMES TO DELIVERY, BUT, YOU KNOW, HARRIS HAS MORE RECENT DEBATE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS HOPING SHE WILL BE ABLE TO PERSONALLY CONNECT TONIGHT.

>> Woodruff: I THINK A LOT OF US WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE HOW THIS DEBATE DIFFERS FROM THE DEBATE WE SAW LAST WEEK WHEN IT WAS IN SOME WORDS A SMACKDOWN BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND JOE BIDEN.

MODERATOR SUSAN PAGE IS ON THE STAGE.

HE IS ABOUT TO INTRODUCE THE CANDIDATES.

LET'S GO TO SUSAN.

>> GOOD EVENING.

FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH IN SALT LAKE CITY, WELCOME TO THE FIRST AND ONLY VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF 2020.

SPONSORED BY THE NONPARTISAN COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.

I AM A SUSAN PAGE OF USA TODAY.

IT IS MY ON FOR TO MODERATE THIS DEBATE, AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR DEMOCRACY.

IN KINGSBURY HALL TONIGHT WE HAVE A SMALL AND SOCIALLY DISTANT AUDIENCE AND WE HAVE TAKEN EXTRA PRECAUTIONS DURING THIS PANDEMIC.

AMONG OTHER THINGS, EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS REQUIRED TO WEAR A FACE MASK AND THE CANDIDATES WILL BE SEATED 12 FEET APART.

THE AUDIENCE IS ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATES BUT THEY HAVE AGREED TO EXPRESS THAT ENTHUSIASM ONLY TWICE, AT THE END OF THE DEBATE AND NOW WHEN I INTRODUCE THE CANDIDATES.

PLEASE WELCOME CALIFORNIA SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE.

[ APPLAUSE ] >> >> THANK YOU.

>> SENATOR HARRIS AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WE ARE MEETING AS PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE FIRST LADY CONTINUE TO UNDERGO TREATMENT IN WASHINGTON AFTER TESTING POSITIVE FOR COVID-19.

WE SEND OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO THEM FOR THEIR RAPID AND COMPLETE RECOVERY AND FOR THE RECOVERY OF EVERYONE AFFLICTED BY THE CORONAVIRUS.

THE TWO CAMPAIGNS AND THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES HAVE AGREED TO THE GROUND RULES FOR TONIGHT.

I AM HERE TO ENFORCE THEM.

ON BEHALF OF THE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE WATCHING.

ONE NOTE, NO ONE IN EITHER CAMPAIGN OR AT THE COMMISSION OR ANYWHERE ELSE HAVE BEEN TOLD IN ADVANCE WHAT TOPICS ARE RAISED OR WHAT QUESTIONS I WILL ASK.

THIS 90 MINUTE DEBATE WILL BE DIVIDED INTO NINE SEGMENTS OF ABOUT TEN MINUTES EACH.

I WILL BEGIN A SEGMENT BY POSING A QUESTION TO EACH OF YOU, SOMETIMES THE SAME QUESTION, SOMETIMES A DIFFERENT QUESTION ON THE SAME TOPIC.

YOU WILL THEN HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER WITHOUT INTERRUPTION BY ME FOR OTHER CANDIDATE.

THEN WE WILL TAKE SIX MINUTES OR SO TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE.

AT THAT POINT, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE TO SAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC.

WE WANT A DEBATE THAT IS LIVELY, BUT AMERICANS ALSO DESERVE A DISCUSSION THAT IS CIVIL THESE ARE TUMULTUOUS TIMES BUT WE CAN AND WILL HAVE A RESPECTFUL EXCHANGE ABOUT THE BIG ISSUES FACING OUR NATION.

LET'S BEGIN WITH THE ONGOING PANDEMIC THAT HAS COST OUR COUNTRY SO MUCH.

SENATOR HARRIS, THE CORONAVIRUS IS NOT UNDER CONTROL.

OVER THE PAST WEEK, JOHNS HOPKINS REPORTS THAT 39 STATES HAVE HAD MORE COVID CASES OVER THE PAST SEVEN DAYS THAN IN THE WEEK BEFORE.

NINE STATES HAVE SET NEW RECORDS RECORDS.

IF A VACCINE IS RELEASED SOON THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION WILL FACE HARD CHOICES.

WHAT WOULD ABIDE DEN ADMINISTRATION DO IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY THAT A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULDN'T DO?

WOULD YOU IMPOSE NEW LOCKDOWNS FOR BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS IN HOTSPOTS, A FEDERAL MANDATE TO WEAR MASKS?

YOU HAVE TWO-MINUTE TO RESPOND WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

WELL, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE WITNESSED WHAT IS THE GREATEST FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.

AND HERE ARE THE FACTS 210,000 DEAD PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.

IT IS THE LAST IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, OVER 7 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE CONTRACTED THIS DISEASE.

ONE IN FIVE BUSINESSES CLOSED.

WE ARE LOOKING AT FRONTLINE WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKE SACRIFICIAL WORKERS.

WE ARE LOOKING AT OVER 30 MILLION PEOPLE WHO IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAD TO FILE FOR UNEMPLOYMENT AND HERE IS THE THING.

ON JANUARY 28TH THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENT WERE INFORMED ABOUT THE NATURE OF THIS PANDEMIC.

THEY WERE INFORMED THAT IT IS LETHAL IN CONSEQUENCE, THAT IT IS AIRBORNE, THAT IT WILL AFFECT YOUNG PEOPLE AND THAT IT WOULD BE CONTRACTED BECAUSE IT IS AIRBORNE.

AND THEY KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU.

CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU KNEW ON JANUARY 28TH AS OPPOSED TO MARCH 13TH WHAT THEY HUGH, WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE DONE TO PREPARE?

THEY KNEW AND THEY COVERED IT UP.

THE PRESIDENT SAID IT WAS A HOAX, THEY MINIMIZED THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT.

THE PRESIDENT SAID YOU ARE ON ONE SIDE OF THIS LEDGER ON THE MASK AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER IF YOU DON'T.

AND IN SPITE OF ALL OF THAT TODAY THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN.

THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN, WELL, JOE BIDEN DOES, AND OUR PLAN IS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AROUND THE NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR CONTACT TRACING FOR TESTING, FOR ADMINISTRATION OF THE VACCINE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT WILL BE FREE-FOR-ALL.

THAT IS THE PLAN THAT JOE BIDEN HAS AND THAT I HAVE, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO GET AHOLD OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND WE NEED TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY AND JOE BIDEN IS THE BEST LEADER TO DO THAT AND FRANKLY THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS FORFEITED THEIR RIGHT TO REELECTION BASED ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, MORE THAN 210,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED OF COVID SINCE FEBRUARY, THE U.S. DEATH TOLL AS A PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION IS HIGHER THAN THAT OF ALMOST EVERY OTHER WEALTHY NATION ON EARTH.

FOR INSTANCE, OUR DEATH RATE IS TWO AND A HALF TIMES THAT OF CANADA NEXT DOOR.

YOUYOU HEAD THE ADMINISTRATION'S CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE.

WHY IS THE U.S. DEATH TOLL AS A PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION HIGHER THAN THAT OF ALMOST EVERY OTHER WEALTHY COUNTRY?

AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.

>> SUSAN, THANK YOU AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH FOR HOSTING THIS EVENT AND SENATOR HARRIS, IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE ON THE STAGE WITH YOU.

OUR NATION HAS GONE THROUGH A VERY CHALLENGING TIME THIS YEAR BUT I WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW 0 THAT FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAS PUT THE HEALTH OF AMERICANS FIRST.

BEFORE THERE WERE FOR THAN FIVE CASES IN THE UNITED STATES, ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD RETURNED FROM CHINA, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DID WHAT NO OTHER AMERICAN PRESIDENT HAD EVER DONE, AND THAT WAS JESUS EXPENDED ALL TRAVEL FROM CHINA, THE SECOND LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.

NOW, SENATOR JOE BIDEN OPPOSED THAT DECISION HE SAID IT WAS COMPANY PHOBIC AND HYSTERICAL, I CAN TELL YOU HAVING LED THE CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE THAT DECISION ALONE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP BOUGHT US INVALUABLE TIME TO STAND UP THE GREATEST NATIONAL MOBILIZATION SINCE WORLD WAR II AND I BELIEVE IT SAVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES, BECAUSE WITH THAT TIME WE WERE ABLE TO REINVENT TESTING FOR THAN 150 MILLION TESTS HAVE BEEN DONE TO DATE.

WE WERE ABLE TO SEE TO THE DELIVERY OF BILLIONS OF SUPPLIES SO OUR DOCTORS AND NURSES HAD THE RESOURCES FOR WHAT THEY NEEDED, AND WE BEGAN REALLY BEFORE THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WAS TO, TO DEVELOP A VACCINE AND MEDICINES AND THERAPEUTICS AND SAVINGS SAG LIVING LIVES ALL ALONG THE WAY AND OPERATION WARP.

WARP SPEED WE BELIEVE WILL HAVE LITERALLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOSES OF VACCINE BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR.

THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BIDEN PLAN IT READS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I AND OUR TASK FORCE HAVE BEEN DOING EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.

QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR PLAN THAT TALKS ABOUT ADVANCING TESTING, CREATING NEW PPE, DEVELOPING A VACCINE, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE PLAGIARISM WHICH IS SOMETHING JOE BIDEN KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS PUT -- >> THANK YOU.

>> PUT AMERICA FIRST AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I BELIEVE WITH MY HEART CAN BE PROUD OF THE SACK A NICES THEY HAVE MADE THAT SAVED COUNTLESS AMERICAN LIVES.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WHATEVER THE VICE PRESIDENT IS CLAIMING THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE, CLEARLY IT HASN'T WORKED.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT OVER 210,000 DEAD BODIES IN OUR COUNTRY.

AMERICAN LIVES, THAT HAVE BEEN LOST, FAMILIES THAT ARE GRIEVING THAT LOSS.

AND WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VICE PRESIDENT IS THE HEAD OF THE TASK FORCE, AND KNEW ON JANUARY 28TH HOW SERIOUS THIS WAS AND THEN THANKS TO BOB WOODWARD, WE LEARNED THAT THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEN WHEN THAT WAS EXPOSED THE VICE PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN ASKED, WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL TELL ANYBODY, HE SAID BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT WANTED PEOPLE TO REMAIN CALM.

>> WELL, LET'S -- >> SUSAN, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

>> AND I WANT TO -- >> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, I AM SPEAKING.

>> I HAVE THE -- >> 15 MORE SECONDS AND GIVE THE VICE PRESIDENT A CHANCE.

>> I WANT TO ASK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HOW CALM WERE YOU WHEN YOU WERE PANICKED ABOUT WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO GET YOUR NEXT ROLL OF TOILET PAPER, HOW CALM WERE YOU WHEN YOUR KIDS WERE SENT BACK TO SCHOOL AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHEN YOU WERE GOING TO GO BACK.

>> HOW CALM WERE YOU WHEN YOUR CHILDREN COULDN'T SEE YOUR PARENTS BECAUSE YOU WERE AFRAID THEY WOULD KILL THEM.

>> LET'S GIVE VICE PRESIDENT PENCE A CHANCE TO RESPONSE.

>> THERE ISN'T A DAY THAT HAS GONE BY I DON'T THINK OF THE AMERICANS THAT HAVE LOST FAMILY AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE IN YOU IN IN OUR HEARTS AND PRAYERS BUT WHEN YOU SAY WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST EIGHT MONTHS HASN'T WORKED THAT'S A GREAT DISSERVICE TO THE SACRIFICES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE MADE.

THE REALITY, IF I MAY FINISH, THE REALITY IS, DR. FAUCI SAID, EVERYTHING THAT HE TOLD THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE THE PRESIDENT TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

NOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP I WILL TELL YOU HAS BOUNDLESS CONFIDENCE IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND HE ALWAYS SPOKE WITH CONFIDENCE WE WE WOULD GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT HASN'T WORKED, WHEN DR. FAUCI AND DR. BIRX AND OUR 0 MEDICAL EXPERTS CAME TO US IN THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH, THEY SAID IF THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T TAKE THE UNPRECEDENTED STEP OF THE SHUTTING DOWN ROUGHLY HALF OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, THAT WE COULD LOSE 2.2 MILLION AMERICANS, AND THAT IS THE REALITY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THEY ALSO SAID IF WE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, SUSAN, WE COULD STILL LOSE MORE THAN 200,000 AMERICANS.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE -- >> AND A LIFE LOST IS TOO MANY, SUSAN, BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I BELIEVE DESERVE CREDIT FOR THE SACRIFICES THAT THEY HAVE MADE PUTTING THE HEALTH OF THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR NEIGHBORS FIRST, OUR DOCTORS OUR NURSES OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

>> AND I WILL SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE DONE.

>> VBS PENCE YOU WERE IN THE FRONT ROW OF WHAT HAS BEEN A SUPER SPREADER EVENT FOR SENIOR I DON'T THINK NATURAL, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING, FEW MASKS, AND NOW A CLUSTER OF CORONAVIRUS CASES AMONG THOSE WHO WERE THERE.

HOW CAN YOU EXPECT AMERICANS TO FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATION'S SAFETY GUIDELINES TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM COVID WHEN YOU AT THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING SO?

>> WELL, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE DEMONSTRATED OVER THE LAST EIGHT A MONTHS WHEN GIVEN THE FACTS THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT THE HEALTH OF THEIR NEIGHBORS AND FAMILIES AND NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW FIRST.

THE PRESIDENT AND I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR ABILITY TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.

IN THE HEIGHT OF THE EPIDEMIC WHEN WE WERE LOSING A HEARTBREAKING NUMBER OF 2,500 AMERICANS A DAY, WE SURGED RESOURCES TO NEW JERSEY AND NEW YORK AND NEW ORLEANS AND DETROIT, WE TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MADE THE SACRIFICES WITH THE OUTBREAK OF THE SUNBELT HAPPENED THIS SUMMER, AGAIN, AMERICANS STEPPED FORWARD.

BUT THE REALITY IS THE WORK OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GOES ON, VACANCY ON THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS COME UPON US AND THE PRESIDENT INTRODUCED JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT A -- >> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.

>> IF I MAY SAY, THAT THAT ROSE GARDEN EVENT, A GREAT DEAL OF SPECULATION ABOUT IT, MY WIFE KAREN AND I WERE WITH THERE AND HONORED TO BE THERE.

MANY OF THE PEN WHO WERE AT THAT EVENT, SUSAN, ACTUALLY WERE TESTED FOR CORONAVIRUS AND IT WAS AN OUTDOOR EVENT WHICH ALL OF OUR SCIENTISTS REGULARLY ROUTINELY ADVISE.

THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I TRUST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE CHOICES IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THEIR HEALTH, JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS CONSISTENTLY TALK ABOUT MANDATES AND NOT JUST MANDATES WITH THE CORONAVIRUS BUT GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF HEALTHCARE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GREEN NEW DEAL, ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL, WE ARE ABOUT FREEDOM AND RESPECTING THE FREEDOM OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT AREN'TING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

YOU RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND YOU RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE THE COURAGE.

>> WHICH WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE.

>> SPEAKING OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR BUT THEY NEED TO HEAR SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES.

BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION STOOD ON INFORMATION THAT IF YOU HAD AS A PARENT, IF YOU HAD AS A WORKER KNOWING YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SAVED UP AND NOW YOU ARE STANDING IN A FOOD LINE BECAUSE OF THE INEPTITUDE OF AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS UNWILLING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT CARING ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO SACRIFICE FAR TOO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

IT IS ASKING TOO MUCH OF THE PEOPLE.

>> SUSAN WE TALKED ABOUT.

>> IS ASKING TOO MUCH OF THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE EQUIPPED WITH THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO HELP THEMSELVES TO PROTECT THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR CHILDREN.

>> KAMALA HARRIS, SENATOR HARRIS, I MEAN, I AM SORRY.

>> THAT'S FINE.

I AM KAMALA.

>> YOU ARE SENATOR HARRIS TO ME.

0 I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR LIFE TO GET BACK TO FORM 0 MALDR.

FAUCI AND OTHER EXPERTS SAY MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN BE VACCINATED NEED TO BE VACCINATED, BUT HALF OF AMERICANS NOW SAY THEY WOULDN'T TAKE A VACCINE IF IT IF IT WAS RELEASED NOW IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION APPROVES A VACCINE BEFORE OR AFTER THE ELECTION, SHOULD AMERICANS TAKE IT AND WOULD YOU TAKE IT?

>> IF THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONALS, IF DR. FAUCI, IF THE DOCTORS TELL US WE SHOULD TAKE IT I WILL BE THE FIRST IN LINE TO TAKE IT, ABSOLUTELY, BUT IF DONALD TRUMP TELLS WISDOM SHOULD TAKE IT I AM NOT TAKING IT.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF REPER KUGS FROM THIS PANDEMIC, IN RECENT DAYS THE PRESIDENT'S DIAGNOSIS OF COVID-19 HAS UNDERSCORED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE JOB THAT YOU HOLD AND THAT YOU THAT YOU ARE SEEKING THAT'S OUR SECOND TOPIC TONIGHT, THE IT IS ROLE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT.

ONE OF YOU WILL MAKE HISTORY ON JANUARY 20TH, YOU WILL BE THE VICE PRESIDENT TO THE OLDEST PRESIDENT THE UNITED STATES HAS EVER HAD.

DONALD TRUMP WILL BE 74 YEARS OLD ON INAUGURATION DATE, JOE BIDEN WILL BE 78 YEARS OLD.

THAT ALREADY HAS RAISED CONCERNS AMONGST SOME VOTERS, CONCERNED THAT HAVE BEEN SHARPENED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HOSPITALIZATION IN RECENT DAYS.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, HAVE YOU HAD THE CONVERSATION OR REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ABOUT SAFEGUARDS OR PROCEDURES WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF PRESIDENTIAL DISABILITY?

AND IF NOT, DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.

>> WELL, SUSAN, THANK YOU, ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK.

>> I THINK NEED MOVE ON.

>> WELL, THANK YOU BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK.

BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A ADVANTAGE A SEEN, SENATOR, IN RECORD TIME, IN UNHEARD OF TIME, IN LESS THAN A YEAR.

WE HAVE FIVE COMPANIES IN PHASE 3 CLINICAL TRIALS, AND WE ARE RIGHT NOW PRODUCING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOSES, SO THE FACT THAT YOU CONTINUE TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN A VACCINE, IF A VACCINE EMERGES DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION I THINK IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE AND SUPPORT I JUST ASK YOU, STOP PLAYING POLITICS WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES.

THE REALITY IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A VACCINE, WE BELIEVE, BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR AND IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SAVE COUNTLESS AMERICAN LIVES AND YOUR CONTINUE YOUS UNDERMINING OF THE CONFIDENCE IN A VACCINE IS JUST, IT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.

AND LET ME ALSO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAILURE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE ACTUALLY DO KNOW WHAT FAILURE LOOKS LIKE IN A PANDEMIC.

IT WAS 2009, THE SWINE FLU ARRIVED IN THE UNITED STATES, THANKFULLY IT WAS, ENDED UP NOT BEING AS LETHAL AS THE CORONAVIRUS, BUT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT SEVEN FACILITATE MILLION PEOPLE CONTRACTED THE SWINE FLU, A 60 MILLION AMERICANS CONTRACTED THE SWINE FLU.

IF THE SWINE FLU HAD BEEN AS LETHAL AS THE CORONAVIRUS, IN 20NINE, WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT, WE WOULD HAVE LOST 2 MILLION AMERICAN LIVES.

HIS OWN CHIEF OF STAFF, RON CLINE WOULD SAY LAST YEAR THAT IT WAS PURE LUCK THAT THEY DID, QUOTE, EVERYTHING POSSIBLE WRONG AND WE LEARNED FROM THAT.

THEY LEFT THE NATIONAL STRATEGIC STOCK PILE EMPTY AND LEFT AN EMPTY AND HOLLOW PLAN, BUT WE STILL LEARNED FROM IT AND I THINK -- >> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE YOUR TIME IS US UP.

>> AND I WILL SAY AGAIN.

>> VICE PRESIDENT YOUR TIME IS UNDERSTAND.

>> WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND SENATOR, PLEASE STOP UNDERMINING CONFIDENCE IN A ADVANTAGE A SEEN.

>> SENATOR HARRIS, LET ME ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION THAT I ASKED VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, WHICH IS, HAVE YOU HAD A CONVERSATION OR REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN ABOUT SAFEGUARDS OR PROCEDURES WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF PRESIDENTIAL DISABILITY?

AND IF NOT, AND IF YOU WIN THE ELECTION NEXT MONTH DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD 0?

YOU HAVE TWO-MINUTE UNINTERRUPTED.

>> SO LET ME TELL YOU FIRST OF ALL, THE DAY I GOT THE CALL FROM JOE BIDEN, IT WAS ACTUALLY A ZOOM CALL, ASKING ME TO SERVE WITH HIM ON THIS TICKET WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE DAYS OF MY LIFE.

YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT MY MOTHER, WHO CAME TO THE UNITED STATES AT THE AGE OF 19 AND GAVE BIRTH TO ME AT THE AGE OF 25 AT KEYSER HOSPITAL IN CALIFORNIA AND THE THOUGHT I WOULD BE SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW, I KNOW WOULD MAKE HER PROUD.

SHE MUST BE LOOKING DOWN ON THIS THIS.

JOE AND I WERE RAISED IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY, WE WERE RAISED WITH VALUES THAT ARE ABOUT HARD WORK, ABOUT THE CENTRAL AND THE DIGNITY OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AND ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FIGHTING FOR THE DIGNITY OF ALL PEOPLE AND I THINK JOE ASKED ME TO SERVE WITH HIM BECAUSE I HAVE A CAREER THAT INCLUDED BEING ELECTED THE FIRST WOMAN DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF SAN SAN FRANCISCO WHERE I CREATED MODELS OF INNOVATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN TERMS OF REFORM OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.

I WAS ELECTED THE FIRST WOMAN OF COLOR AND BLACK WOMAN TO BE ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WHERE I RAN THE SECOND LARGEST DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN THE UNITED STATES, SECOND ONLY TO THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.

AND FROM THERE I TOOK ON EVERYTHING FROM TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS TO THE BIG BANKS THAT WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF HOMEOWNERS TO FOR PROFIT COLLEGES THAT WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF VETERANS.

AND THEN OF COURSE NOW I SERVE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE AS ONLY THE SECOND PLAQUE WOMAN EVER ELECTED TO THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

I SERVE ON THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHERE I HAVE BEEN IN REGULAR RECEIPT OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION ABOUT THREATS TO OUR NATION AND HOTSPOTS AROUND THE WORLD, I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD AND I HAVE MET WITH OUR SOLDIERS AND IN WAR ZONES AND I THINK JOE HAS ASKED ME TO SERVE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS THAT WE SHARE, WE SHARE A PURPOSE WHICH IS ABOUT LIFTING UP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND AFTER THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE HAVE SEEN OF DONALD TRUMP UNIFYING OUR COUNTRY AROUND OUR COMMON VALUES AND PRINCIPLES.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS, NEITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS RELEASED A DETAILED HEALTH INFORMATION THAT HAVE BECOME THE MODERN NORM UNTIL THE 2016 ELECTION.

AND IN RECENT DAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN MISLEADING ANSWERS OR REFUSED TO ANSWER BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS HEALTH AND MY QUESTION TO EACH OF YOU IN TURN IS, IS THIS INFORMATION VOTERS DESERVE TO KNOW?

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> WELL, SUSAN, THANK YOU.

AND LET ME SAY ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT IN THE THE -- AND THE FIRST LADY HOW MOVED WE HAVE ALL BEEN BY THE OUTPOURING OF PRAYERS AND CONCERN FOR THE PRESIDENT AND I DO BELIEVE IT IS EMBLEMATIC OF THE PRAYERS AND THE CONCERN THAT HAVE USHERED FORTH FOR EVERY AMERICAN IMPACTED BY THE CORONAVIRUS.

BUT THE CARE THE PRESIDENT RECEIVED AT WALTER REED HOSPITAL, WHITE HOUSE DOCTORS WAS EXCEPTIONAL AND THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THEY PRACTICED ALL ALONG THE WAY WILL CONTINUE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE THEIR PRESIDENT AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

BUT I AM JUST EXTREMELY GRATEFUL AND WAS MORE THAN A LITTLE MOVED BY THE BROAD AND BIPARTISAN SUPPORT OF, SENATOR, I WANT TO THANK YOU YOU AND JOE BIDEN FOR YOUR 0 EXPRESSIONS, GENUINE CONCERN AND I ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AS I DID ON THAT PHONE CALL ON THE HIS 0 STORYING NATURE OF YOUR NOMINATION.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I NEVER EXPECTED TO BE ON THIS STAGE FOUR YEARS AGO SO I KNOW THE FEELING, BUT THE REALITY IS WE HAVE GOT AN ELECTION BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IN THE MIDST OF THIS CHALLENGING YEAR AND THE STEAKS HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I WANT TO GIVE SENATOR HARRIS A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE SAME QUESTION I ASKED, WHICH IS DO VOTERS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW MORE DETAILED HEALTH INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT PRESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE FACING THIS KIND OF CHALLENGE?

>> ABSOLUTELY AND THAT'S WHY JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN SO INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT AND CERTAINLY IN CONTRAST THE PRESIDENT HAS NOT.

BOTH IN TERMS OF HEALTH RECORDS BUT ALSO LET'S LOOK ATTACKS.

WE NOW KNOW BECAUSE OF GREAT INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM THAT DONALD TRUMP PAID $750 IN TAXES WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT, I LITERALLY SAID YOU MAY $750,000?

AND IT WAS LIKE, NO, $750.

WE NOW KNOW DONALD TRUMP OWES AND IS IN DEBT FOR $400 MILLION AND JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY IN DEBT, IT MEANS YOU OWE MONEY TO SOMEBODY.

AND IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OWES MONEY TO, BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT IS INFLUENCING THE PRESIDENT'S DECISIONS, AND IS HE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS ON THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, FOR YOU, OR SELF-INTEREST?

SO SUSAN I AM GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD.

JOE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT OVER MANY, MANY YEARS.

THE ONE THING WE ALL KNOW ABOUT JOE, HE PUTS IT ALL OUT THERE.

HE IS HONEST, HE IS FORTHRIGHT, BUT DONALD TRUMP ON THE OTHER HAND IS ABOUT COVERING UP EVERYTHING.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND, VICE PRESIDENT.

>> WELL LOOK I RESPECT THE FACT THAT JOE BIDEN SPENT 47 YEARS IN PUBLIC LIFE, I RESPECT YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS A BUSINESSMAN, HE IS A JOB CREATOR, SHE PAID TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A IN TAXES, PAYROLL TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, HE CREATED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN JOBS AND THE PRESIDENT SAID THOSE PUBLIC REPORTS ARE NOT ACCURATE AND THE PRESIDENT ALSO RELEASED LITERALLY STACKS OF FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN REVIEW, JUST AS THE LAW ALLOWS, BUT THE DISTINCTION HERE IS THAT SWOAB FOUR 47 YEARS IN PUBLIC SERVICE COMPARED TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WHO BROUGHT ALL OF THAT EXPERIENCE FOUR YEARS AGO AND TURNED THIS ECONOMY AROUND BY CUTTING TAXES, ROLLING BACK REGULATION AND ENERGY AND FIGHTING FOR FREE AND FAIR TRADE AND -- WILL BE LOST IF JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS.

>> THAT IS A GOOD SEGUE INTO OUR THIRD TOPIC ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

THIS HAS BEEN ANOTHER ASPECT OF LIFE FOR AMERICANS, IT HAS BEEN SO AFFECTED BY THIS CORONAVIRUS.

WE HAVE A JOBS CRISIS BREWING.

ON FRIDAY WE LEARNED THAT THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HAD DECLINED TO 7.9 PERCENT IN SEPTEMBER, BUT THE JOB GROWTH, THIS WAS BEFORE THE LATEST ROUND OF LAYOFFS AND FURLOUGHS IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY AND DISNEY AND ELSEWHERE, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A OF DISCOURAGED WORK VERSUS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK, NEARLY 11 MILLION JOBS THAT EXISTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR HAVEN'T BEEN REPLACED.

THOSE HARDEST HIT INCLUDE LAHTI THOSE, BLACKS AND WOMEN.

SENATOR HARRIS, THE BIDEN-HARRIS CAMPAIGN PROPOSED NEW PROGRAMS TO BOOST THE ECONOMY AN WOULD PAY FOR 0 THAT NEW SPENDING BY RAISING $4 TRILLION IN TAXES ON WEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND CORPORATIONS.

SOME ECONOMISTS WARN THAT COULD CURB ENTREPRENEURIAL VENTURES THAT FUEL GROWTH AND CREATE JOBS.

WOULD RAISING TAXES PUT THE RECOVERY AT RISK?

AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER UNINTERRUPTED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ON THE ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY, I THINK THERE COULDN'T BE A MORE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN.

JOE BIDEN BELIEVES YOU MEASURE THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY BASED ON THE HEALTH AND THE STRENGTH OF THE AMERICAN WORKER AND THE AMERICAN FAMILY.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP WHO MEASURES THE STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY BASED ON HOW RICH PEOPLE ARE DOING, WITH SITUATE WHY HE PASSED A TAX BILL BENEFITING THE TOP ONE PERCENT AND THE BIGGEST CORPORATIONS OF AMERICA, LEADING TO A $2 TRILLION DEFICIT THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW HAVE TO PAY FOR.

ON DAY ONE, JOE BIDEN WILL REPEAL THAT TAX BILL AND GET RID OF IT AND WHAT HE WILL DO WITH THE MONEY IS INVEST IT IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THROUGH A PLAN THAT IS ABOUT INVESTING IN DRAWER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WOULD DO, I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT SOME LAWYER WHICH I DON'T THINK EVER HAPPENED BUT JOE BIDEN WILL DO THAT.

HE WILL INVEST IN LAWYER.

IT IS ABOUT UPGRADING OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES BUT ALSO INVESTING IN CLEAN ENERGY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY, JOE IS GOING TO INVEST THAT MONEY IN WHAT WE NEED TO DO AROUND INNOVATION.

THERE WAS A TIME WHEN OUR COUNTRY BELIEVED IN SCIENCE AND INVESTED IN RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE WERE IN AN INNOVATION LEADER ON THE NOBODY.

JOE BIDEN WILL USE THAT MONEY TO INVEST IN EDUCATION.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO GO TO A TWO-YEAR COMMUNITY COLLEGE IT WILL BE PLEA, IF YOU COME FROM A FAMILY THAT MAKES LESS THAN $125,000, YOU WILL GO TO A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY OR FREE AND ACROSS THE BOARD WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE STUDENT LOAN DEBT IT IS CUT BY $10,000.

THAT IS HOW VOAB THINKS ABOUT THE ECONOMY WHICH IS ABOUT INVESTING IN THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY AS OPPOSED TO PASSING A TAX BILL WHICH HAD THE BENEFIT OF LETTING AMERICAN CORPORATIONS GO OFFSHORE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE YOUR ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN PREDICTING A RAMPANT AND ROBUST RECOVERY, BUT THE LATEST ECONOMIC REPORT SUGGESTS THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.

SHOULD AMERICANS BE BRACED FOR AN MICK COMEBACK THAT IS GOING TO TAKE NOT MONTHS BUT A YEAR OR MORE?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER UNINTERRUPTED.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I TOOK OFFICE, WHEN WE TOOK OFFICE AMERICA HAS GONE THROUGH THE LOWEST ECONOMIC RECOVERY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION, JOE BIDEN AND PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA TRIED TO TAX, DESPITE WHAT SENATOR HARRIS SAYS, THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY OF FOUR HAD $2,000 IN SAVINGS IN TAXINGS IN TAXES.

IN THE RISE IN WAGES THAT OCCURRED, MOST PREDOMINANTLY FOR BLUE COLLAR, HARDWORKING AMERICANS, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR INCREASED BY $4,000 FOLLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TAX CUTS, BUT AMERICA YOU JUST HEARD SENATOR ARISS TELL YOU ON DAY ONE, JOE BIDEN IS GOING RAISE YOUR 0 TAXES.

IT IS REALLY REMARKABLE TO THINK, SUSAN, I I MEAN, RIGHT AFTER A TIME WHERE WE ARE GOING THROUGH A PANDEMIC THAT LOST 22 MILLION JOBS, WE HAVE ALREADY ADDED BACK 11 .6 MILLION JOBS, BECAUSE WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO CUT TABS, ROLLED BACK REGULATION, UNLEASH AMERICAN ENERGY, FOUGHT FOR FREE AND FAIR TRADE AND SECURED $4 TRILLION FROM THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES TO GIVE DIRECT PAYMENTS TO FAMILIES, SAVE 15 MILLION JOBS THROUGH THE PAYCHECK PROTECTION PROGRAM.

WE LITERALLY SPARED NO EXPENSE TO HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE AMERICAN WORKER THROUGH THIS.

JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS WANT TO RAISE TAXES, THEY WANT TO BURY OUR ECONOMY UNDER A $2 TRILLION GREEN NEW DEAL WHICH YOU ARE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL COSPONSORS OF IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

THEY WANT TO ABOLISH FOSSIL FUELS AND BAN FRACING WHICH WOULD CAUSE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN JOBS ALL ACROSS THE HEARTLAND AND JOE BIDEN WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE ECONOMIC SURRENDER TO CHINA THAT WHEN WE TOOK OFFICE 0 HALF OF OUR INTERNATIONAL TRADE DEFICIT WAS WITH WITH CHINA ALONE, AND JOE BIDEN WANTS TO REPEAL ALL OF THE TARIFFS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP PUT INTO EFFECT TO FIGHT FOR AMERICAN JOBS AND AMERICAN WORKERS.

JOE BIDEN SAYS DEMOCRACY IS ON THE BALLOT, MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT, SUSAN, THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, THE AMERICAN COMEBACK IS ON THE BALLOT, WITH POWER MORE YEARS OF GROWTH AND OPPORTUNITY AND FOUR MORE YEARS OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, 2021 IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC YEAR IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

SENATOR HARRIS.

>> I MEAN, WE SAW ENOUGH OF IT IN LAST WEEK'S DEBATE BUT I THINK THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEBATE BASED ON FACT AND TRUTH AND THE TRUTH AND THE FACT IS JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR HE WILL NOT RAISE TABS ON ANYBODY WHO MAKES LESS THAN $400,000.

>> HE SAID HE WILL REPEAL THE TRUMP TAX CUTS.

>> MR. VICE PRESIDENT I AM A SPEAKING.

>> WELL -- >> I AM SPEAKING.

>> IF YOU SAY IT IS IMPORTANT THE TRUTH, JOE BIDEN SAID TWICE IN THE-LAST WEEK HE IS GOING TO REPEAL THE TRUMP TAX CUTS.

THAT WAS TAX CUTS THAT GAVE THE AVERAGE WORKING FAMILY $2,000 IN A TAX BREAK EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

SENATOR.

>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.

THAT IS -- >> IS HE ONLY GOING TO REPEAL PART OF THE TRUMP TAX CUTS?

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND LETTING ME FINISH WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION.

OKAY?

>> PLEASE.

>> OKAY.

JOE BIDEN WILL NOT RAISE TABS ON ANYONE WHO MAKES LESS THAN $400,000 A YEAR, HE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

JOE BIDEN WILL NOT END FRACING, HE HE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

JOE BIDEN IS THE ONE WHO DURING THE GREAT RECESSION WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RECOVERY ACT THAT BROUGHT AMERICA BACK AND NOW THAT TRUMP PENCE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO TAKE CREDIT WHEN THEY RODE THE COATTAILS OF JOE BIDEN'S SUCCESS 0 FOR THE ECONOMIC THAT THEY HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR TERM, NOW THE ECONOMIC IS A COMPLETE DISASTER, BUT JOE BIDEN ON THE ONE HAND DID THAT, ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP WHO HAS REIGNED OVER A RECESSION THAT IS BEING COMPARED TO THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

ON THE ONE HAND YOU HAVE VOAB WHO WAS POSSIBLE WITH PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA FOR THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT THAT BROUGHT HEALTHCARE TO OVER 20 MILLION AMERICANS AND PROTECTED PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS AND WHAT IT ALSO DID IS IT SAVED THOSE FAMILIES WHO OTHERWISE WERE GOING BANKRUPT, BECAUSE OF HOSPITAL BILLS THEY COULD NOT AFFORD.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF DONALD TRUMP WAS IN COURT RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET RID OF -- TRYING TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT A WHICH MEANS THAT YOU WILL LOSE PROTECTIONS IF YOU HAVE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS AND I JUST -- THERE IS VERY IMPORTANT, SUSAN.

>> YES.

>> WE NEED TO GIVE VICE PRESIDENT -- >> I WOULD JUST LIKE -- HE INTERRUPT MED AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO FINISH, PLEASE.

>> IF YOU HAVE A PREPSIING CONDITION, THE HEART TEASE, DIABETES, BREAST CANCER, THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU, IF YOU LOVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A PREEXISTING CONDITION -- >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

>> THEY WILL COME FOR YOU.

IF YOU ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 26 ON YOUR PARENTS COVERAGE, THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU.

>> SENATOR HARRIS, THANK YOU.

>> LET ME GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

>> I HOPE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK A ABOUT HEALTHCARE BECAUSE OBAMACARE WAS A DISASTER, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REMEMBER IT WELL.

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I HAVE A PLAN TO IMPROVE HEALTHCARE AND TO PROTECT PREEXISTING CONDITIONS FOR EVERY AMERICAN.

BUT, LOOK, SENATOR HARRIS, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION BUT YOU ARE NOT 0 ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS, YOU USE YOURSELF SAID ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT THAT YOU WOULD BAN PRACTICING.

WROAB LOOKED A SUPPORTER IN THE EYE AND POINTED AND SAID I GUARANTEE I GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL ABOLISH FOSSIL FUELS, WE HAVE A $2 TRILLION VERSION OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL, SUSAN, YOUR NEWSPAPER, USA TODAY SAID REALLY WASN'T THAT VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL GREEN NEW DEAL.

MORE TAXES, MORE REGULATION, BANNING FRACKING, ABOLISHING FOSSIL FUEL, CRUSHING AMERICAN ENERGY AND ECONOMIC SURRENDER TO CHINA IS A PRESCRIPTION FOR ECONOMIC DECLINE, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I WILL KEEP AMERICA GROWING, THE V-SHAPED RECOVERY THAT IS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW WILL CONTINUE WITH FOUR MORE YEARS OF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP IN OFFICE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RESPECT PENCE.

ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE PROVIDED THE PERFECT SEGUE TO THE NEXT TOPIC WHICH IS CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO POSE THE FIRST QUESTION TO YOU.

THIS YEAR WE HAVE SEEN RECORD-SETTING HURRICANES IN THE SOUTH A, ANOTHER HURRICANE DELTA IS NOW THREATENING, AND WE HAVE SEEN RECORD-SETTING WILE FIRES IN THE WEST.

DO YOU BELIEVE AS THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY HAS CONCLUDED, THAT MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE HAS MADE WILD FIRES BIGGER, HOTTER, AND MORE DEADLY AND HAVE MADE HURRICANES WETTER, SLOWER, AND MORE DAMAGING?

YOU HAVE TWO-MINUTE UNINTERRUPTED, UNINTRUPPED.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

WELL, FIRST I AM VERY PROUD OF THE OUR RECORD ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONSERVATION.

ACCORDING TO ALL OF THE TO BEST ESTIMATES OUR AIR AN LAND ARE CLEANER THAN ANY TIME EVER RECORDED, OUR WATER IS AMONG THE CLEANEST IN THE WORLD.

AND JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO THE PRESIDENT SIGNED THE OUTDOORS ACT, IT IS THE LARGEST INVESTMENT IN OUR PUBLIC LANDS AND PUBLIC PARKS IN 100 YEARS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO CONSERVATION TO THE ENVIRONMENT, A NOW WITH REGARD TO CLIMATE CHANGE, THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING, BUT THE ISSUE IS, WHAT IS THE CAUSE AND A WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MADE IT CLEAR WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE SCIENCE.

NOW, JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS WOULD PUT US BACK IN THE PARIS CLIMATE ACCORD AND IMPOSE THE GREEN NEW DEAL, WHICH WOULD CRUSH AMERICAN ENERGY, WOULD INCREASE THE ENERGY COSTS TO AMERICAN FAMILIES IN THEIR HOMES, AND LITERALLY IT WOULD CRUSH AMERICAN JOBS.

THE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE IN A CLEANER ENVIRONMENT HAS BEEN HAPPENING PRECISELY BECAUSE WE HAVE A STRONG FREE MARKET ECONOMY.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THE UNITED STATES HAS REDUCED CO2 MORE THAN THE COUNTRIES THAT ARE STILL IN THE PARIS CLIMATE ACCORD BUT WE HAVE DONE IT THROUGH INNOVATION AND WE HAVE DONE IT THROUGH NATURAL GAS, AND FRACKING, WHICH SENATOR, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN GO LOOK AT THE RECORD.

AND I KNOW JOE BIDEN SAYS OTHERWISE NOW, AS YOU DO, BUT THE BOTH OF YOU REPEATEDLY COMMITTED TO ABOLISHING FOSSIL FUEL AND BANNING FRACKING.

AND SO BY CREATING THE KIND OF AMERICAN INNOVATION WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY STEERING TOWARD A STRONGER AND BETTER ENVIRONMENT, WITH REGARD TO WILD FIRES, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I BELIEVE THAT FOREST MANAGEMENT HAS TO BE FRONT AND CENTER AND EVEN GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM FROM YOUR STATE AGREED WE HAVE TO WORK ON FOREST MANAGEMENT AND WITH REGARD TO HURRICANE IT IS NATIONAL OCEANIC ADMINISTRATION TELLS US IT IS ACTUALLY AS DIFFICULT AS THEY ARE, THERE ARE NO MORE HURRICANES TODAY THAN THERE WERE 100 YEARS AGO.

>> THANK YOU.

>> BUT MANY OF THE CLIMATE ALARMISTS USE HURRICANES AND WILD FIRES TO TRY AND SELL A BILL OF GOODS OF A GREEN NEW DEAL AND PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I WILL ALWAYS PUT AMERICAN JOBS AND AMERICAN WORKERS FIRST.

>> THANK YOU.

SENATOR HARRIS, AS THE VICE PRESIDENT MENTIONED YOU COSPONSORED, COSPONSORED THE GREEN NEW DEAL IN CONGRESS BUT 0 JOE BIDEN SAID IN LAST WEEK'S DEBATE HE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE GREEN NEW DEAL BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIDEN HARRIS CAMPAIGN WEBSITE IT DESCRIBES THE GREEN NEW DEAL AS A CRUCIAL FRAMEWORK, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD BE THE STANCE OF ABIDE DEN-HEAR A IRS ADMINISTRATION TOWARD THE GREEN NEW DEAL?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.

>> SO FIRST OF ALL, I WILL REPEAT, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW, THAT JOE BIDEN WILL HOT BAN RACKING.

THAT IS A FACT.

THAT IS A FACT.

I WILL REPEAT THAT JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT HE THINKS ABOUT GROWING JOBS, WHICH IS WHY HE WILL NOT INCREASE TAXES FOR ANYONE WHO MAKES LESS THAN $4,000 A YEAR.

JOE BIDEN'S MICK PLAN 0, MOVIES, WHICH IS A REPUTABLE WALL STREET FIRM SAID WILL CREATE 7 MILLION MORE JOBS THAN DONALD TRUMP'S AND PART OF THOSE JOBS THAT WILL BE CREATED BY JOE BIDEN ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY AND RENEWABLE ENERGY.

BECAUSE YOU SEE, JOE UNDERSTANDS THAT THE WEST COAST OF OUR COUNTRY IS BURNING, INCLUDING MY HOME STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

JOE SEES WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE GULF STATES, WHICH ARE BEING BATTERED BY STORMS.

JOE HAS SEEN AND TALKED WITH THE FARMERS IN IOWA, WHOSE ENTIRE CROPS HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BECAUSE OF FLOODS, AND SO JOE BELIEVES, AGAIN, IN SCIENCE, I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING, SUSAN, I SERVED WHEN I FIRST GOT TO THE SENATE ON TO THE COMMITTEE THAT A IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, DO YOU DO YOU KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION TOOK THE WORD SCIENCE OFF THE WEBSITE?

AND THEN TOOK THE PHRASE CLIMATE CHANGE OFF THE WEBSITE?

THIS -- WE HAVE SEEN A PATTERN WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE AND JOE'S PLAN IS ABOUT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT BUT WE ARE ALSO GOING TO CREATE JOBS.

DONALD TRUMP, WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE WILDFIRES IN CALIFORNIA AND THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, THE SCIENCE IS TELLING US THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID?

SCIENCE DOESN'T KNOW.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO IS PREPARED TO LEAD OUR COUNTRY OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FOUR YEARS ON WHAT IS AN EXISTENCE CHUL THREAT TO US AS HUMAN BEINGS, OWE IS ABOUT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO INVEST THAT IN RENEWABLE ENERGY AND GOING TO BE ABOUT THE CREATION OF MILLIONS OF JOBS AND WE WILL ACHIEVE NET, ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050, CARBON NEUTRAL BY 2035, JOE HAS A PLAN, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF TALK A FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND REALLY IT HAS BEEN TO GO BACKWARD INSTEAD OF FORWARD, WE WILL ALSO REENTER THE CLIMATE AGREEMENT WITH PRIDE.

>> SENATOR HARRIS JUST SAID THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT CLIMATE CHANGE POSES AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT?

>> AS I SAID, SUSAN, THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING, WE WILL FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, SENATOR HARRIS IS DENYING THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RAISE TAXES ON EVERY AMERICAN, JOE BIDEN SAID TWICE IN THE DEBATE LAST WEEK THAT ON AT A ONE HE WAS GOING TO REPEAL THE TRUMP TAX CUTS.

THOSE TAX CUTS DELIVERED $2,000 IN TAX RELIEF TO THE AVERAGE FAMILY OF FOUR ACROSS AMERICA.

AND WITH REGARD TO BANNING FRACKING I JUST RECOMMEND PEOPLE LOOK AT THE RECORD.

YOU YOURSELF SAID REPEATEDLY THAT YOU WOULD BAN FRACKING.

YOU WERE THE FIRST SENATE COSPONSOR OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL, WHILE JOE BIDEN DENIED THE GREEN NEW DEAL, SUSAN, THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE GREEN NEW DEAL IS ON THEIR CAMPAIGN WEBSITE AND AS USA TODAY SAID IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PLAN AS YOU COSPONSORED WITH AOC WHEN SHE SUBMITTED IT IN THE SENATE.

AND YOU JUST HEARD THE SENATOR SAY SHE IS GOING TO RESUBMIT AMERICA TO THE PARIS CLIMATE ACCORD.

LOOK, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS CHERISH OUR ENVIRONMENT AND WILL CONTINUE TO CHERISH IT AND MADE GREAT PROGRESS, REDUCING CO2 EMISSIONS THROUGH AMERICAN INNOVATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF NATURAL GAS AND FRACKING, WE DON'T NEED A MASSIVE $2 TRILLION GREEN NEW DEAL THAT WOULD IMPOSE ALL NEWMAN DATES ON AMERICAN BUSINESSES AND AMERICAN FAMILIES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JOE BIDEN WANTS US TO RETROFIT 4 MILLION -- BUSINESS BUILDINGS.

IT MAKES NO SENSE AND IT WILL COST JOBS.

PRESIDENT TRUMP PUTS AMERICA FIRST AND WILL PUT JOBS FIRST AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND FOLLOW THE SCIENCE.

>> ON THE ISSUE OF JOBS.

>> SENATOR HARRIS.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT A THAT.

THE VICE PRESIDENT EARLIER REFERRED TO, AS PART OF WHAT HE THINKS IS AN ACCOMPLISHMENT, THE PRESIDENT'S TRADE WAR WITH CHINA, HE LOST THAT TRADE WAR.

HE LOST IT.

WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF A SO-CALLED TRADE WAR WITH CHINA, AMERICA LOST 300,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS, FARMERS HAVE EXPERIENCED BANKRUPTCY BECAUSE OF IT, WE ARE IN A MANUFACTURING RECESSION.

BECAUSE OF IT.

AND A WHEN WE LOOK AT WHERE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN THERE ARE ESTIMATES BY THE END OF THE TERM OF THIS ADMINISTRATION THEY WILL HAVE THE LOST MORE 0 JOBS THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

YOU KNOW.

I THINK ABOUT 20-YEAR-OLDS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A 20-YEAR-OLD.

20 SOMETHING-YEAR-OLD, WHO ARE COMING OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE RIGHT NOW AND YOU ARE WONDERING, IS THERE GOING TO BE A JOB THERE FOR ME?

WE ARE LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY ARE GOING TO PAY RENT BY THE END OF THE MONTH, ALMOST HALF OF AMERICAN RENTERS ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PAY RENT BY THE END OF THE MONTH.

THIS IS WHERE THE ECONOMY IS IN AMERICAN AMERICA RIGHT NOW AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CATASTROPHE AND THE FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, LET ME GIVE YOU JUST 15 SECONDS TO RESPOND BECAUSE THEN I WANT TO LOVE ON TO -- >> WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO RESPOND.

LOOK, LOST THE TRADE WAR WITH CHINA?

JOE BIDEN NEVER FOUGHT IT.

JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN A CHEERLEADER FOR COMMUNIST CHINA THROUGH OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES.

AND, AGAIN, SENATOR HARRIS, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS.

JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT WE LOST 200,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID THEY WERE NEVER COMING BACK, HE SAID WE NEEDED A MAGIC WAND TO BRING THEM BACK.

IN OUR FIRST THREE YEARS AFTER WE CUT TAXES.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.

>> REGULATION UNLEASHED AMERICAN ENERGY THIS ADMINISTRATION SAW 500,000 MANUFACTURING JOBS CREATED.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF GROWTH WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE AS WE BRING OUR NATION THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE GREEN NEW DEAL, YOUR PARIS CLIMATE ACCORD WILL KILL JOBS THIS TIME JUST LIKE IT KILLED JOBS -- >> I JUST NEED TO POND VERY BRIEFLY.

>> 15 SECONDS AND WE WILL MOVE ON.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JOE BIDEN IS 0 RESPONSIBLE FOR SAVING AMERICA'S AUTO INDUSTRY AND YOU VOTED AGAINST IT.

SO LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>> BOY WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT CHINA.

WE HAVE AS OUR NEXT TOPIC, WE HAVE NO MORE COMPLICATED OR CONSEQUENTIAL FOREIGN RELATIONSHIP THAN THE ONE WITH CHINA CHINA.

IT IS A HUGE MARKET FOR AMERICAN AGRICULTURAL GOODS AND A POTENTIAL PARTNER IN DEALING WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND NORTH KOREA THAN A VIDEO TONIGHT PRESIDENT TRUMP BLAME IT FOR THE CORONAVIRUS SAYING CHINA WILL PAY.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE OUR FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA?

COMPETITORS, ADD VERY SCARS?

ENEMIES?

>> YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

>> WELL, BEFORE I LEAVE THAT LET ME SPEAK TO VOTING RECORDS, IF I CAN.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT NAFTA COST LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN FACTORIES TO CLOSE.

WE SAW AUTOMOTIVE JOBS GO SOUTH OF THE BORDER, PRESIDENT TRUMP FOUGHT TO RENEGOTIATE NAFTA.

AND THE UNITED STATES, MEXICO, CANADA AGREEMENT IS NOW THE LAW OF THE LAND.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO TO KNOW, SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS WAS ONE OF ONLY TEN MEMBERS OF THE SENATE TO VOTE AGAINST THE USMCA, IT WAS A HUGE WIN FOR AMERICAN AUTO WORKERS AND A HUGE WIN FOR AMERICAN AT FARMERS, ESPECIALLY DAIRY IN THE UPPER MIDWEST, BUT SENATOR, YOU SAID IT DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH ON CLIMATE CHANGE THAT YOU PUT YOUR RADICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AGENDA AHEAD OF AMERICAN AUTO WORKERS AND AHEAD OF AMERICAN JOBS.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THAT.

IT IS PROBABLY WHY NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE SAID THAT KAMALA HARRIS WAS THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN 2019, MORE LIBERAL THAN BERNIE SANDERS, MORE LIBERAL THAT ANY OF THE OTHERS IN THE UNITED STATES MATT.

SO THOUSAND WITH REGARD TO CHINA, LOOK, SUSAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, CHINA IS TO BLAME FOR THE CORONAVIRUS.

AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.

HE HAS MADE THAT VERY CLEAR AND MADE IT CLEAR AGAIN TODAY.

CHINA AND THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION DO NOT PLAY STRAIGHT WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THEY DID NOT LET OUR PERSONNEL INTO CHINA TO GET INFORMATION ON THE CORONAVIRUS UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY, FORTUNATELY, PRESIDENT TRUMP IN DEALING WITH CHINA FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS ADMINISTRATION STANDING UP TO CHINA THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AMERICA FOR-S IN THE WAKE OF JOE BIDEN'S CHEER LEADING FOR CHINA.

PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THAT DECISION BEFORE THE END OF JANUARY TO SUSPEND ALL TRAVEL FROM CHINA, AND AGAIN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO THOUGH, VOAB OPPOSED PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DECISION TO SUSPEND ALL TRAVEL FROM CHINA.

HE SAID IT WAS HYSTERICAL, HE SAID -- >> THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

>> THE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS STOOD UP TO CHINA AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STAND STRONG.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIP BUT WE ARE GOING TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND WE ARE GOING HOLD CHINA ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT THEY DID TO AMERICA WITH THE CORONAVIRUS.

>> THANK YOU.

SENATOR HARRIS, LET ME ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION THAT I ASKED THE VICE PRESIDENT, HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE OUR FUNDAMENTAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA?

ARE WE COMPETITORS IN ADVERSARIES?

ENEMIES?

>> YOU WILL HAVE TWO HUNTS UNINTERRUPTED.

>> SUSAN, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S PERSPECTIVE AND APPROACH TO CHINA HAS RESULTED IN A LOSS OF AMERICAN LIVES, AMERICAN JOBS, AND AMERICA'S STANDING.

THERE IS A WEIRD OBSESSION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS HAD WITH GETTING RID OF WHATEVER ACCOMPLISHMENT WAS ACHIEVED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN.

FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CREATED WITHIN WITH THE WHITE HOUSE AN OFFICE THAT BASICALLY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING PANDEMICS.

THEY GOT RID OF IT.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> THERE WAS A TEAM OF DISEASE EXPERTS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN DISPATCHED TO CHINA.

TO MONITOR WHAT IS THOUSAND PREDICTABLE AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

THEY PULLED THEM OUT.

WE NOW ARE LOOKING AT 210,000 AMERICANS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES.

LET'S LOOK AT THE JOB SITUATION.

WE MENTIONED BEFORE THE TRADE DEAL, THE TRADE WAR, THEY WANTED TO CALL IT WITH CHINA.

IT RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF OVER 300 MANUFACTURING JOBS AND MANUFACTURING RECESSION, AND THE AMERICAN CONSUMER PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE FOR GOODS BECAUSE OF THAT FAILED WAR, THAT THEY CALLED IT, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT STANDING, PEW, A REPUTABLE RESEARCH FIRM, HAS TONE AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THAT LEADERS OF ALL OF OUR FORMERLY ALLIED COUNTRIES HAVE NOW DECIDED THAT THEY HOLD IN GREATER ESTEEM AND RESPECT XI JINPING, THE HEAD OF THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY THAN THEY DO DONALD TRUMP.

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

BECAUSE OF A FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP, BY THIS ADMINISTRATION.

SENATOR HARRIS, WE HAVE SEEN CHANGES IN THE ROLE OF THE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF GLOBAL LEADERSHIP OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS.

AND OF COURSE TIMES DO CHANGE.

WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION, WE HAVE SEEN STRAINS WITH CHINA OF COURSE IT IS A VICE PRESIDENT MENTIONED, WE HAVE SEEN STRAINS WITH OUR TRADITIONAL ALLIES IN NATO AND ELSEWHERE.

WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF THE ROLE OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IN 2020?

>> SO, YOU KNOW, JOE, I LOVE TALKING WITH JOE ABOUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, AND, YOU KNOW, JOE, I THINK HE SAID IT QUITE WELL, HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, FOREIGN POLICY MIGHT SOUND COMPLICATED BUT REALLY IT IS RELATIONSHIPS, JUST THINK ABOUT IT AS RELATIONSHIPS, AND SO WE KNOW THIS IN OUR PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP YOUR WORD TO YOUR FRIENDS.

YOU HAVE TO BE LOYAL TO YOUR FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE STOOD WITH YOU, HAVE TO, YOU HAVE GOT TO STAND WITH THEM, YOU HAVE GOT TO KNOW WHO YOUR ADVERSARIES ARE AND KEEP THEM IN CHECK.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH DONALD TRUMP IS THAT HE HAS BETRAYED OUR FRIENDS AND EMBRACED DICTATORS AROUND THE WORLD.

LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, RUSSIA.

SO I SERVED ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, AMERICA'S INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TOLD US RUSH INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN 2016 AND IS PLANNING TO IN 2020.

CHRISTOPHER WRAY, THE DIRECTOR OF THE FBI SAID THE SAME.

BUT DONALD TRUMP, THE COMMAND NEVER CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PREFERS TO TAKE THE WORLD OF VLADIMIR PUTIN OVER THE WORLD OF THE AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

YOU LOOK AT OUR 0 FRIENDS AT NATO.

HE HAS WALKED AWAY FROM AGREEMENTS, LOOK AT THE IRAN NUCLEAR TEAL WHICH NOW HAS PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE LESS SAFE BECAUSE THEY ARE BUILDING UP WHAT MIGHT END UP BEING A SIGNIFICANT NUCLEAR ARSENAL.

WE WERE IN THAT DEAL, WE WERE IN IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL WITH FRIENDS AND ALLIES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S UNILATERAL APPROACH TO FOREIGN POLICY, COUPLED WITH HIS ISOLATIONISM, HE PULLED US OUT AND HAS MADE AMERICA LESS SAFE, SO SUSAN IT IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, AND THE THINK THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE STRENGTH OF OUR NATION IN ADDITION TO OUR GREAT MILITARY HAS BEEN WE KEEP OUR WORD, BUT DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT OPINIONS TO TO BE HONEST.

THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, LET ME GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.

>> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK HIS WORD WHEN WE MOVED THE AMERICAN EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM, THE CAPITAL OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL, WHEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT HE PROMISED TO DO THAT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

THE WE ARE NOW, NATO ALLIES HAVE CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THE NATO ALLIANCE BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF DONALD TRUMP AND WE HAVE STOOD STRONG AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD DO US HARM.

YOU KNOW, WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE, ISIS HAD CAP KURD AN AREA OF THE MIDDLE EAST THE SIZE OF PENCE PENNSYLVANIA, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP UNLEASHED THE AMERICAN MILITARY AND OUR ARMED FORCES DESTROYED THE ISIS CALIPHATE AND TOOK OUT THEIR LEADER AL BAGHDAD DIFFICULT WITHOUT ANY CASUALTY, ALEXANDRIA AL-BAGHDADI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS BUT NOTICEABLY HEARTS ARE WITH THE HEARTS OF KAY A LA MILLER, THE PARENTS WHO ARE WITH US TONIGHT THIS SALT LAKE CITY, TODAY, TWO OF THE ISIS KILLERS RESPONSIBLE FOR KAYLA MUELLER'S MURDER WERE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE IN THE UNITED STATES, JIHADI JOHN WAS KILLED IN THE BATTLEFIELD ALONG WITH THE OTHER BEATLE.

WHEN THE VICE JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAFE HER BUT IT BREAKS MY HEART BUT THE MILITARY PRESENTED A PLAN AND SAID THEY KNEW WHERE KAYLA WAS, BAGHDAD DIFFICULT HELD HER BAGHDADI HELD HER FOR MONTH BUT THEY KILLED HER MERCY LESLEY.

>> BUT WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE PRESIDENT THEY HESITATED AND WHEN OUR FORCES FINALLY CAME IN, SHE HAD BEEN MOVED TWO DAYS EARLIER AND HER TEAM SAYS WITH WHAT BROKE THE HEART A OF EVERY AMERICAN IF PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP HAD BEEN PRESIDENT THEY BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY BUT WE DESTROYED THE CALIPHATE AND YOU TALK ABOUT REENTERING THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL AND THE LAST ADMINISTRATION TRANSFERRED $1.8 BILLION TO THE LEADING, LEADING STATE RESPONSE SORRY OF TERRORISM, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP GOT US OUT OF THE DEAL AND A WHEN QASSEM SOLEIMANI WAS TRAVELING TO BAGHDAD TO HARM AMERICANS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TOOK HIM OUT AND AMERICA IS SAFER, OUR ALLIES ARE SAFER AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER -- PAUSE TO TAKE ACTION.

>> LET'S GIVE SENATOR HARRIS, TO RESPOND BUT WE HAVE OTHER TOPICS TO DISCUSS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TIME TO RESPOND.

>> YES.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> OF COURSE TO THE MUELLER FAMILY I KNOW ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER'S CASE AND I AM SO SORRY, I AM SO SORRY.

WHAT HAPPENED TO HER IS AWFUL.

AND IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

AND I KNOW JOE FEELS THE SAME WAY.

AND I KNOW THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA FEELS THE SAME WAY.

BUT YOU MENTIONED SOLEIMANI, LET'S START THERE.

SO AFTER THE STRIKE ON SOLEIMANI, THERE WAS A COUNTER STRIKE ON OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ AND THEY SUFFERED SERIOUS BRAIN INJURIES AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT DONALD TRUMP DISMISSED THEM AS?

HEADACHES.

AND THIS IS ABOUT A PATTERN OF DONALD TRUMP'S, WHERE HE HAS REFERRED TO OUR MEN WHO ARE SERVING IN OUR MILITARY AS SUCKERS AND LOSERS, DONALD TRUMP WHO WENT TO ARLINGTON CEMETERY AND STOOD ABOVE THE GRAVES OF OUR FALLEN HEROES AND SAID, WHAT IS IN IT FOR THEM.

BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU KNOW HE ONLY THINKS ABOUT WHAT IS IS IN IT FOR HIM.

LET'S TAKE WHAT HE SAID ABOUT JOHN MCCAIN, A GREAT AMERICAN HERO AND DONALD TRUMP SAYS, HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A HERO BECAUSE HE WAS A PRISONER OF WAR.

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO IS THE CURRENT COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT AND WHAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT.

PUBLIC REPORTING THAT RUSSIA HAD BOUNTIES ON THE HEADS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND YOU KNOW WHAT A BOUNTY IS?

IT IS SOMEBODY PUTS A PRICE ON YOUR HEAD AND THEY WILL PAY IT IF YOU ARE KILLED, AND WITH DONALD TRUMP HAD TALKED AT LEAST SIX TIMES TO VLADIMIR PUTIN AND NEVER BROUGHT UP THE UBT.

VOAB WOULD NEVER DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JOE BIDEN WOULD -- JOBA WOULD HOLD RUSSIA TO ACCOUNT FOR ANY THREATS TO OUR NATION A'S SECURITY OR TO OUR TROOPS WHO ARE SACRIFICING THEIR LIVES FOR THE SAKE OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND OUR SAFETY.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE BUT WE HAVE OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUES AS WELL.

>> SUSAN.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CHANCE.

>> I REALLY HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT.

>> LOOK, SHE HAS -- >> 15 SECONDS BECAUSE -- I HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN THAT.

I AM SORRY.

VICE PRESIDENT.

>> LOOK,.

>> YOU HAD MORE TIME THAN SHE HAS.

>> THE SLANDER AGAINST PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP REGARDING MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES ARE ABSURD.

>> I AM SORRY, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

>> I WAS A CAPTAIN WILL THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS, MY SON-IN-LAW IS DEPLOYED IN THE UNITED STATES NAVY, I CAN ASSURE ALL A OF YOU THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS SERVING IN OUR MILITARY, PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP NOT ONLY RESPECTS BUT REVERES ALL OF THOSE WHO SERVE IN OUR ARMED FORCES AND THINK SUGGESTION OTHERWISE IS RIDICULOUS.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE, SUSAN, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW THAT -- SUSAN,.

>> DIFFICULT ID NOT CREATE THE HUGHES FOR TONIGHT.

>> JOE BIDEN -- YOUR CAMPAIGN AGREED TO RULES FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE WITH THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES I AM HERE TO ENFORCE THEM WHICH INVOLVES MOVING FROM ONE TOPIC TO ANOTHER.

GIVING ROUGHLY EQUAL TIME TO BOTH OF YOU WHICH IS WHAT I AM TRYING VERY HARD TO DO.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> AND I WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO THE THEBS TOPIC WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT ONE, IT IS A LAST TOPIC WAS AND THAT IS THE SUPREME COURT.

ON MONDAY, THE NARCOTIC JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS SET TO HAVE HEARINGS ON AMY CONEY BARRETT, SENATOR HARRIS YOU WILL BE THERE AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE.

HER CONFIRMATION WOULD CEMENT THE COURT'S CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY AND MAKE IT LIKELY OPEN TO MORE ABORTION RESTRICTIONS, EVEN TO OVERTURNING THE LANDMARK ROE V. WADE RULING.

ACCESS TO ABORTION WOULD THEN BE UP TO THE STATES.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, YOU ARE THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF INDIANA, IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT INDIANA TO DO?

WOULD YOU WANT YOUR HOME STATE TO BAN ALL ABORTIONS?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

UNINTERRUPTED.

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, BUT I WILL USE A LITTLE BIT OF MY TIME TO TO POND SO THAT VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE BEFORE.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW QUASI-QUASI-, QASEM SOL MA.

MANNY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS, WHEN WE SAW HIM HEADING TO BAGHDAD TO KILL MORE AMERICANS PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN'T HESITATE AND QASEM PISTOL MAN MY IS GOT, SOLEIMANI IS GONE, VICE PRESIDENT AND KAMALA HARRIS CRITICIZED THAT PETITION TO TAME OUT QASEM SOLEIMANI, IT IS REALLY INEXPLICABLE BUT WITH JOBA IT IS EXPLAINABLE BECAUSE HISTORY RECORDS WROAB ACTUALLY OPPOSED THE RAID AGAINST OSAMA BIN LADEN, IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT WE HAVE A COMMANDER IN CHIEF WHO WILL NOT HESITATE TO ACT TO PROTECT AMERICAN LIVES AND TO PROTECT AMERICAN SERVICE MEMBERS A AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE WITH AMERICAN DONALD TRUMP.

NOW WITH REGARD TO TO THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, LET ME SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I COULD NOT BE MORE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT BECOME JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT.

SHE IS A BRILLIANT WOMAN AND SHE WILL BRING A LIFETIME OF EXPERIENCE AND A SIZABLE AMERICAN FAMILY TO THE PROPERTY OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND OUR HOPE IS IN THE HEARING NEXT WEEK, UNLIKE JUSTICE KAVANAUGH RECEIVED WITH TREATMENT FROM YOU AND OTHERS, BUT WE HOPE SHE GETS A FAIR HEARING, AND WE PARTICULARLY HOPE THAT WE DON'T SEE THE KIND OF ATTACKS ON HER CHRISTIAN FAITH THAT WE SAW BEFORE, THE DEMOCRAT CHAIRMAN OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BEFORE WHEN JUDGE BARRETT WAS BEING CONFIRMED FOR THE COURT OF APPEALS EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT DOGMA OF HER FAITH LIVED LOUDLY IN HER, I THINK DICK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS SAID IT WAS A CONCERN.

MOTHER, I KNOW ONE OF YOU JUDICIAL NOMINEES YOU ACTUALLY ATTACKED PAUSE THEY WERE A MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS JUST BECAUSE THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS HOLDS PRO-LIFE VIEWS.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR TIME IS UP.

>> WHEN THE HEARING TAKES PLACE -- THAT JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT WILL BE RESPECTED AND TREATED RESPECTFULLY AND VOTED AND CONFIRMED TO THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES.

>> SENATOR HARRIS, YOU ARE THE SENATOR FROM A FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA, SO LET ME ASK YOU PARALLEL QUESTION TO THE ONE I POSED TO THE VICE PRESIDENT.

IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT CALIFORNIA TO DO?

WOULD YOU WANT YOUR HOME STATE TO ENACT NO RESTRICTIONS ON ACCESS TO ABORTION?

AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

FIRST OF ALL, JOE BIDEN AND I ARE BOTH PEOPLE OF TATE AND IT IS INSULTING TO SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD KNOCK ANYONE FOR THEIR FAITH AND IN FACT JOE, IF ELECTED WILL BE ONLY THE SECOND PRACTICING CATHOLIC AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

ON THE ISSUE OF THIS NOMINATION, JOE AND I ARE VERY CLEAR, AS ARE THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WE ARE 27 DAYS BEFORE THE DECISION ABOUT WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WHEN THIS CONVERSATION HAS COME UP, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN ABOUT ELECTION YEAR OR ELECTION TIME, WE ARE LITERALLY IN AN ELECTION, OVER 4 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE VOTED, PEOPLE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ROTING RIGHT NOW AND SO JOE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR, AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE, LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE ILL THAT SEAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THEN WE WILL FILL THAT SEAT ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT AND TO YOUR POINT, SUSAN, THE ISSUES BEFORE US COULDN'T BE MORE SERIOUS, THERE IS THE ISSUE OF CHOICE AND I WILL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR A WOMAN'S TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HER OWN BODY, IT SHOULD BE HER DECISION AND HOT THAT OF DONALD TRUMP AND THE VICE PRESIDENT, MICHAEL PENCE.

BUT LET'S ALSO LOOK AT WHAT ALSO IS BEFORE THE COURT.

IT IS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT LIKE LITERALLY IN THE MIDST OF A PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC WITH OVER 210,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND 7 MILLION PEOPLE, PROBABLY HAVE WHAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE CONSIDERED A PREEXISTING CONDITION BECAUSE YOU CONTRACTED THE VIRUS, DONALD TRUMP IS IN COURT RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE AND IT BEARS REPEATING, THIS MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE PROTECTIONS, IF THEY WIN, FOR PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.

THIS MEANS THAT OVER 20 MILLION PEOPLE WILL LOSE YOUR COVERAGE.

IT MEANS THAT IF YOU ARE PARTICULAR THE AGE OF 26, YOU CAN'T STAY ON YOUR PARENTS' COVERAGE ANYMORE, AND HERE IS THE THING.

THE CONTRAST COULDN'T BE MORE CLEAR, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND JOBA IS SAYING LET'S EXPAND COVERAGE, LET'S GIVE YOU A CHOICE OF A PUBLIC OPTION OR A PRIVATE COVERAGE, LET'S BRING DOWN PREMIUMS AND LET'S LOWER MEDICARE ELIGIBILITY TO TO 60, ENTRIES TRUE LEADERSHIP.

>> THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS COURT CASE YOU ARE SUPPORTING, YOUR ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPORTING THAT WOULD STRIKE DOWN THE AFFORDABLE CARE.

THE PRESIDENT SAYS, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THAT SHE GOING RECOLLECT PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS BUT HE HAS NOT EXPLAINED HOW HE WOULD DO THAT, ADD THEN ONE OF THE TOUGHEST -- TO CRACK WHEN THEY WERE PASSING THE AFFORDABLE CARE.

SO TELL US SPECIFICALLY, HOW WOULD YOUR ADMINISTRATION PROTECT AMERICANS WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS WHO, TO HAVE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE INSURANCE IF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT IS STRUCK DOWN.

>> WELL, THANK YOU, SUSAN.

LET ME JUST SAY, ADDRESSING YOUR VERY FIRST QUESTION, I COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD TO SERVE AS VICE PRESIDENT TO A PRESIDENT WHO STANDS WITHOUT APOLOGY FOR SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.

I AM PRO-LIFE.

I DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR IT.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE THERE IS SUCH A DRAMATIC CONTRAST.

JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS SUPPORT TAXPAYER FUNDING OF ABORTION ALL THE WAY UP TO THE MOMENT OF BIRTH, LATE TERM ABORTION.

THEY WANT TO INCREASE FUNDING TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF AMERICA.

AND FOR OUR PART, I WOULD NEVER PRESUME HOW FOOD, HOW AMY CONEY BARRETT WOULD RULE ON THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAND STRONG FOR THE RIGHT-TO-LIFE.

WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE PROPERTY, THOUGH, I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALLY DESERVE AN ANSWER, SENATOR HARRIS.

ARE YOU AND JOE BIDEN GOING TO PACK THE COURT IF JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT IS CONFIRMED?

>> I MEAN THERE HAVE BEEN 29 VACANCIES ON THE SUPREME COURT DURING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEARS FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON AND BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENTS HAVE NOMINATED IN ALL 29 CASES, BUT YOUR PARTY IS ACTUALLY OPENLY ADVOCATING ADDING SEATS TO THE SUPREME COURT WHICH HAS HAD NINE SEATS FOR 150 YEARS, IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY.

THIS IS A CLASSIC CASE OF IF YOU CAN'T WIN BY THE RULES YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES.

NOW, YOU HAVE REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, JOE BIDEN HAS REFUSED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, SO I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT IS CONFIRMED TO THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES ARE YOU AND JOE BIDEN, IF SOMEHOW YOU WIN THIS ELECTION GOING TO PACK THE SUPREME COURT TO GET YOUR WAY?

>> I AM SO GLAD WE WENT THROUGH A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON, LET'S DO THAT A LITTLE MORE.

IN 186 -- >> I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

>> I AM SPEAKING.

I AM SPEAKING.

>> OKAY?

IN 1864, ONE OF THE -- I THINK POLITICAL HEROES CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT, I ASSUME YOU ALSO, MR. VICE PRESIDENT IS ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

>> UH-HUH.

>> ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS UP FOR REELECTION AND IT WAS 27 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION AND A SEAT BECAME OPEN ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S PARTY WAS IN CHARGE, TO THE ONLY OF THE WHITE HOUSE BUT THE SENATE, BUT HONEST ABE SAID, NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THEN THAT PERSON CAN SELECT WHO WILL SERVE FOR A LIFETIME ON THE HIGH TEST COURT OF OUR LAND.

AND SO JOE AND I ARE VERY CLEAR, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VOTING RIGHT NOW AND IT SHOULD BE THEIR DECISION ABOUT WHO WILL SERVE ON THIS MOST IMPORTANT BODY FOR A LIFETIME.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

>> SUSAN, THEY ARE VOTING TRYING NOW AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU AND JOE BIDEN ARE GOING TO PACK THE SUPREME COURT IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR WAY IN THIS NO, MA'AM FACE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT PACKING, COME ON.

>> YOU GAVE A ON THIS ANSWER.

JOE BIDEN GAVE A NONANSWER.

>> I TRIED TO ANSWER YOU.

>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE A RIGHT ANSWER AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT THE STRAIGHT ANSWER IS THEY ARE GOING TO PACK THE SUPREME COURT.

IF THEY SOMEHOW WIN THIS ELECTION.

>> MEN AND WOMEN I HAVE TO TELL YOU IF YOU CHERISH OUR SUPREME COURT AND IF YOU CHERISH THE SEPARATION OF POWERS YOU NEED TO REJECT THE BIDEN-HARRIS TICKET COME NOVEMBER THE THIRD REELECT DONALD TRUMP AND WE WILL STAND BY THAT SEPARATION OF POWERS WITH A NINE SEAT SUPREME COURT.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT PACKING THE COURT THEN, LET'S TALK ABOUT A.

>> PLEASE.

>> I AM ABOUT TO.

>> >> SO THE TRUMP-PENCE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN, BECAUSE I SIT ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, STU STAN AND YOU MENTIONED, AND I HAVE WITNESSED THE APPOINTS FOR LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS TO THE FEDERAL COURTS, DISTRICT COURTS, COURTS OF APPEAL.

PEOPLE WHO ARE PURELY IDEOLOGICAL PEOPLE, WHO, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY LEGAL PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND POUND TO HAVE BEEN NOT COMPETENT OR SUBSTANDARD, AND DO YOU KNOW THAT OF THE 50 PEOPLE WHO PRESIDENT TRUMP APPOINTED TO THE COURT OF APPEALS FOR LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS, NOT ONE IS BLACK IN THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.

YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PACKING THE COURT, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SENATOR, LET'S GO ON AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RACIAL A JUSTICE.

>> I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO REFLECT SHE NEVER ANSWER A ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

MAYBE IN THE NEXT DEBATE JOE BIDEN WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION BUT I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW ANSWER.

>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.

IN MARCH BREONNA TAYLOR A 26-YEAR-OLD EMERGENCY ROOM TECHNICIAN IN LOUISVILLE WAS SHOT AND KILLED AFTER POLICE OFFICERS EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT ON A NARCOTICS INVESTIGATION BROKE INTO HER APARTMENT, THE POLICE SAID THEY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES.

TAYLOR'S BOYFRIEND SAID HE DIDN'T HEAR THEM DO THAT.

HE USED A GUN REGISTERED TO HIM TO FIRE A SHOT WHICH WOUNDED AN OFFICER, THE OFFICERS THEN FIRED MORE THAN 20 ROUNDS INTO THE APARTMENT, THEY SAY THEY WERE ACTING IN SELF DEFENSE.

NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN INDICTED IN CONNECTION WITH HER DEATH.

SENATOR HARRIS, IN THE CASE OF BREONNA TAYLOR, WAS JUSTICE DONE?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO AND I HAVE TALKED WITH BREONNA'S MOTHER, AND HER FAMILY AND HER FAMILY DESERVES JUSTICE.

SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG WOMAN.

SHE HAD AS HER LIFE GOAL TO BECOME A NURSE AND SHE WANTED TO BECOME AN EMT TO FIRST LEARN WHAT IS GOING ON OUT ON THE STREET, SO SHE COULD THEN BECOME A NURSE AND SAVE LIVES AND HER LIFE WAS TAKEN, UNJUSTIFIEDLY AND TRAGICALLY AND VIOLENTLY AND IT BRINGS ME TO, YOU KNOW, THE EIGHT MINUTES AND 46 SECONDS THAT AMERICA WITNESSED DURING WHICH AN AMERICAN MAN WAS TORTURED AND KILLED UNDER THE KNEE OF AN ARMED UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER.

AND PEOPLE AROUND OUR COUNTRY OF EVERY RACE OF EVERY AGE, OF EVERY GENDER, PERFECT STRANGERS TO EACH OTHER, MARCHED SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, ARM A IN ARM FIGHTING FOR US TO FINALLY ACHIEVE THAT IDEAL OF EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER LAW.

AND I WAS A PART OF THOSE PEACEFUL PROTESTS.

AND I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT FIRST OF ALL WE ARE NEVER GOING TO CONDONE VIOLENCE BUT WE ALWAYS A MUST FIGHT FOR THE VALUES THAT WE HOLD DEAR, INCLUDING THE FIGHT TO ACHIEVE OUR IDEAL, AND THAT'S WHY JOE BIDEN AND I SAID ON THIS SUBJECT, LOOK, AND I AM A FORMER CAREER PROSECUTOR, I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, BAD COPS ARE BAD FOR GOOD COPS, WITH HE NEED REFORM OF OUR POLICING IN AMERICA AND OUR CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHICH IS WHY JOE AND I WILL IMMEDIATELY BAN CHOKE HOLDS AND CAROTID HOLDS, GEORGE FLOYD WOULD BE ALIVE IF WE DID THAT, WE WILL REQUIRE A NATIONAL REGISTRY FOR POLICE OFFICERS WHO BREAK THE LAW.

WE WILL ACHIEVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM AND GET RID OF PRIVATE PRISONS AND CASH BAIL AND WE WILL DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA AND WE WILL EXPUNGE THE RECORDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN CONVICTED OF MARIJUANA, IT IS TIME FOR LEADERSHIP ON A TRAGIC, TRAGIC ISSUE, UNARMED BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA -- >> THANK YOU, KAMALA HARRIS.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE LET ME POSE THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU N THE CASE OF BREONNA TAYLOR, WAS JUSTICE DONE?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED.

>> WELL OUR HEARTBREAKS FOR THE LOSS OF ANY INNOCENT AMERICAN LIFE.

AND THE FAMILY OF BREONNA TAYLOR HAS OUR SYMPATHIES.

BUT I TRUST OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM, A GRAND JURY THAT REFUSE THAT REVIEWED THE EVIDENCE AND IT REALLY IS REMARKABLE AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT AN IMPANELED GRAND JURY LOOKING AT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE GOT IT WRONG, BUT YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, SENATOR.

I THINK -- AND WITH REGARD TO GEORGE FLOYD, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD.

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.

BUT THERE IS ALSO ALSO NO EXCUSE FOR THE RIOTING AND THE LOOTING THAT FOLLOWED.

I MEAN, IT REALLY IS ASTONISHING, WHO IS WITH US TONIGHT IN SALT LAKE CITY, JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO I STOOD AT WHAT USED TO BE HER SALON, BURNED TO THE GROUND BY RIOTERS AND LOOTERS AND FLORA IS STILL TRYING TO PUT HER LIFE BACK TOGETHER.

AND I MUST TELL YOU, THIS PRESUMPTION THAT YOU HEAR CONSISTENTLY FROM JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS THAT AMERICA IS SYSTEMICALLY RACIST, THAT AS JOE BIDEN SAID THAT HE BELIEVES THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS AN IMPLICIT BIAS AGAINST MINORITIES IS A GREAT INSULT TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND I WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO PUTS ON THE UNIFORM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY DAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I STAND WITH YOU.

AND IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WHEN SENATOR TIM SCOTT TRIED TO PASS A POLICE REFORM BILL BROUGHT TOGETHER A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, SENATOR HARRIS, YOU GOT UP AND WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM, AND THEN YOU FILIBUSTERED SENATOR TIM SCOTT'S BILL ON THE SENATE FLOOR THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED NEW ACCOUNTABILITY, NEW RESOURCES BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN SUPPORTING LAW ENFORCEMENT, PROVING, IMPROVING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SUPPORTING OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN NEIGHBORS AND ALL OF OUR MINORITIES, UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LEADERSHIP HE WILL ALWAYS STAND WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WILL DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE AT A ONE WHICH IS IMPROVE THE LIVES OF AFRICAN AMERICANS, RECORD UNEMPLOYMENT, RECORD INVESTMENTS IN EDUCATION AND THE FIGHT FOR SCHOOL CHOICE FOR ALL AMERICANS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.

>> SENATOR HARRIS.

>> I WILL NOT SIT HERE AND BE LECTURED BY THE VICE PRESIDENT ON WHAT IT MEANS TO ENFORCE LAWS OF OUR COUNTRY.

I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS PERSONALLY PROSECUTED EVERYTHING FROM CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT TO HOMICIDE.

I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE WHO HAS PROSECUTED THE BIG BANKS FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AMERICA'S HOMEOWNERS AND THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE WHO PROSECUTED FOR PROFIT COLLEGES FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR VETERANS.

AND THE REALITY OF THIS IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ELECTION IN 27 DAYS WHERE LAST WEEK THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TOOK A DEBATE STAGE THE FRONT OF 70 MILLION AMERICANS AND REFUSED TO CONDEMN WHITE SUPREMACISTS.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> NOT TRUE.

>> AND IT WASN'T LIKE HE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE, HE DIDN'T DO IT AND THEN HE DOUBLED DOWN, AND THEN HE SAID, WHEN PRESSED, STAND BACK, STAND BY.

AND THIS IS THE PART OF A PATTERN OF DONALD TRUMP'S, HE CALLED MEXICANS RAPISTS AND CRIMINALS, HE INSTITUTED AS HIS FIRST ACT A MUSLIM BAN, HE ON THE ISSUE OF CHARLOTTESVILLE WHERE PEOPLE WERE PEACEFULLY PROTESTING THE NEED FOR RACIAL JUSTICE, WHERE A YOUNG WOMAN WAS KILLED, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE WERE NEONAZIS CARRYING TIKI TORCHES SHOUTING RACIAL EPITHETS, ANTI-SEMITIC SLURS AND DONALD TRUMP WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT SAYS, THEY WERE FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES.

THERE IS WHO WE HAVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND AMERICA DESERVES BETTER, JOE BIDEN WILL BE A PRESIDENT WHO BRINGS OUR COUNTRY TOGETHER AND RECOGNIZES THE BEAUTY IN OUR DIVERSITY AND THE FACT THAT WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT SEPARATES US.

>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE LET ME GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND.

>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.

I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A MAKES PEOPLE DISLIKE THE MEDIA SO MUCH IN THIS COUNTRY, SUSAN, IS THAT YOU SELECTIVELY EDIT JUST LIKE SENATOR HARRIS DID COMMENTS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I AND OTHERS ON OUR 0 SIDE OF THE AISLE MAKE.

I MEAN, SENATOR HARRIS CONVENIENTLY OMITTED AFTER THE PRESIDENT MADE COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DEBATE OVER MONUMENTS HE CONDEMNED THE KKK, NEONAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND HAS DONE SO REPEATEDLY, YOU ARE CONCERNED HE DOESN'T CONDEMN NEONAZIS, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS JEWISH GRANDCHILDREN, THINK DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW ARE URINE, THERE IS A PRESIDENT WHO RESPECTS AND CHERISHES ALL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, BUT YOU TALK ABOUT HAVING PERSONALLY PROSECUTED I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR RECORD, SENATOR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I REALLY HEED TO MAKE THIS POINT WHEN YOUR DA IN SAN FRANCISCO, WHEN YOU LEFTOVERS, AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE 19 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE PROSECUTED FOR MINOR DRUG OFFENSES THAN WHITES AND HISPANICS.

WHEN YOU WERE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA, YOU INCREASED THE DISPROPORTIONATE INCARCERATION OF BLACKS IN CALIFORNIA, YOU DID NOTHING ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM IN CALIFORNIA, YOU DIDN'T LIFT A FINGER TO PASS THE FIRST STEP ACT ON CAPITOL HILL.

I MEAN, THE REALITY IS, YOUR RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I HAVE FOUGHT FOR CONTRACT JUSTICE REFORM, HE FOUGHT FOR EDUCATION AND CHOICE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WILL DO IT FOR FOR MORE YEARS.

>> THERE IS NO MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT THE FINAL ISSUE WE WILL TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND THAT IS THE ISSUE OF THE ELECTION ITSELF.

>> HE ATTACKED MY RECORD I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.

>> LET ME GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS BECAUSE WE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> FIRST OF ALL, HAVING SERVED AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE WORK THAT I DID IS A MODEL OF WHAT OUR NATION NEEDS TO DO AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO UNDER A JOE BIDEN PRESIDENCY.

OUR AGENDA INCLUDES WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED TO DO.

IT WILL BE ABOUT NOT ONLY INSTITUTE AGO BAN ON CHOKE HOLDS AND CAROTID HOLDS AND NOT ONLY -- >> THANK YOU, SENATOR.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH.

>> THESE ARE POINT YOU MADE pEARLIER IN THE HOUR AND WAY TONIGHT TALK A ABOUT THE ELECTION ITSELF BEFORE WE -- >> BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT JOE AND I WILL DO AND MY RECORD.

>> WHICH INCLUDES I WAS THE FIRST STATEWIDE OFFICER TO INSTITUTE A REQUIREMENT THAT MY AGENTS WOULD WEAR BODY CAMERAS AND KEEP THEM ON FULL TIME.

WE WERE THE FIRST TO INITIATE A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE A TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ON IMPLICIT BIAS BECAUSE YES, JOE BIDEN AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IMPLICIT BIAS DOES EXIST, MR. VICE PRESIDENT, CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU MAY BELIEVE.

WE DID THE WORK OF INSTITUTING REFORMS THAT WERE ABOUT INVESTING IN REENTRY.

THIS IS THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE AND THE WORK WE WILL DO GOING FORWARD AND AGAINLY NOT BE LECTURED BY THE VICE PRESIDENT ON OUR RECORD OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND A COMMITMENT TO REFORMING THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM OF AMERICA.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO POSE THE FIRST -- I WOULD LIKE YOU RESPOND FIRST TO THE QUESTION ON OUR FINAL TOPIC, THE ELECTION ITSELF.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SEVERAL TIMES REFUSED TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER AFTER THE ELECTION, IF YOUR TICKET WINS, AND PRESIDENT TRUMP REFUSES TO ACCEPT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN THEN TAKE?

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

>> SO I WILL TELL YOU, JOE AND I ARE PARTICULARLY PROUD OF THE COALITION THAT WE HAVE BUILT AROUND OUR CAMPAIGN, WE PROBABLY HAVE ONE OF BROADEST COALITIONS OF FOLKS THAT YOU INVEST SEEN IN A PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND OF COURSE WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF DEMOCRATS BUT ALSO INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS, IN FACT, SEVEN MEMBERS OF PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH'S CABINET ARE SUPPORTING OUR TICKET.

WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF COLIN POWELL, SIN CINDY MCCAIN, JOHN KAY SICK, KASICH, OVER 500 GENERALS, RETIRED GENERALS AND FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERTS AND ADVISORS ARE SUPPORTING OUR CAMPAIGN AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT JOE BIDEN HAS A DEEP, DEEP-SEATED COMMITMENT TO FIGHT FOR OUR DEMOCRACY AND TO FIGHT FOR THE INTEGRITY OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND TO BRING INTEGRITY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND SO WE BELIEVE IN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

WE BELIEVE IN OUR DEMOCRACY AND HERE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYBODY.

VOTE.

PLEASE VOTE, VOTE EARLY, COME UP WITH A PLAN TO VOTE, GO TO I WILL VOTE.COM AND GO TO JOE BIDEN.COM, WE HAVE IT WITHIN OUR POWER IN THESE NEXT 27 DAYS TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHAT WILL BE THE COURSE OF OUR COUNTRY FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND IT IS WITHIN OUR POWER AND IF WE USE OUR VOTE AND WE USE OUR VOICE WE WILL WIN.

AND WE WILL NOT LET ANYONE SUBVERT OUR DEMOCRACY WITH WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING AS HE DID ON THE DEBATE STAGE LAST WEEK WHEN AGAIN IN FRONT OF 70 MILLION PEOPLE HE OPENLY ATTEMPTED TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE.

JOE BIDEN ON THE OTHER HAND ON THE SAME DEBATE STAGE BECAUSE CLEARLY DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T THINK HE CAN RUN ON HIS RECORD BECAUSE IT IS A FAILED RECORD, JOE BIDEN ON THAT STAGE SAID, HEY, JUST PLEASE VOTE SO I WILL REPEAT WHAT JOE SAYS, SAID, JUST PLEASE VOTE.

>> THANK YOU.

VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, PRESIDENT TRUMP SEVERAL TIMES REFUSED TO AGREE TO A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ROLE IN, AND RESPONSIBLE RESPONSIBILITY AS VICE PRESIDENT, WHAT WOULD YOU PERSONALLY DO?

YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

>> WELL, SUSAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST I THINK WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION.

BECAUSE WHILE JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS RATTLE OFF A LONG LITANY OF ESTABLISHMENT AND WASHINGTON, D.C. AND ESTABLISHMENT JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN A PART OF FOR 47 YEARS, PRESIDENT TRUMP DONALD TRUMP IS LAUNCHED A MOVEMENT OF EVERY DAY AMERICANS FROM EVERY WALK OF LIFE, AND I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT THE SAME AMERICANS THAT DELIVERED THAT HISTORIC VICTORY IN 2016 WILL SEE THIS PRESIDENT'S RECORD WHERE WE REBUILT OUR MILITARY AND REVIVED OUR ECONOMY THROUGH TAX CUTS AND ROLLING BACK REGULATION, FIGHTING FOR FAIR TRADE, UNLEASHING AMERICAN ENERGY, WE HAVE APPOINTED CONSERVATIVES TO OUR FEDERAL COURTS AT EVERY LEVEL AND WE STOOD WITH THE MEN AND WOMEN OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I THINK THAT MOVEMENT OF AMERICANS HAS ONLY GROWN STRONGER IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ACCEPTING THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, I MUST TELL YOU, SENATOR, YOUR PARTY HAS SPENT THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS TRYING TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE LAST ELECTION.

I MEAN, IT IS HEAVING.

WHEN WROAB IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THE FBI ACTUALLY SPIED ON PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MY CAMPAIGN.

I MEAN THERE ARE DOCUMENTS RELEASED THERE WEEK THAT THE CIA ACTUALLY MADE A REFERRAL TO THE FBI DOCUMENTING THAT THOSE ALLEGATIONS WERE COMING THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN, AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE AVALANCHE WHAT YOU PUT THE COUNTRY THROUGH FOR THE BETTER PART OF THREE YEARS UNTIL IT WAS FOUND THERE WAS NO OBSTRUCTION, NO COLLUSION, CASE CLOSED AND THEN SENATOR HARRIS YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE CONGRESS TRIED TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OVER A PHONE CALL AND NOW HILLARY CLINTON HAS ACTUALLY SAID TO JOE BIDEN IN HER WORDS UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD HE CONCEDE THE ELECTION, SO LET ME JUST SAY I THINK WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION.

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I ARE FIGHTING EVERY DAY IN COURTHOUSES TO PREVENT JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS A FROM CHANGING THE RULES AND CREATING THIS UNIVERSAL MAIL-IN VOTING THAT WILL CREATE A MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR VOTER FRAUD AND WE HAVE A FREE AND FAIR ELECTION, WE KNOW WE ARE GOING HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT AND I BELIEVE IN ALL MY HEART THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE REELECT WILLED, RE-ELECTED FOR FOUR MORE YEARS, I HAVE WRITTEN ALL OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT MASKS TONIGHT BUT FOR THE FINAL QUESTION OF THE DEBATE, I WOULD LIKE TO READ A QUESTION THAT SOMEONE ELSE WROTE.

>> UTAH COMMISSION ASKED THE STUDENTS IN THE STATE TO WRITE ESSAYS ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU AND I WANT TO CLOSE TONIGHT'S DEBATE WITH THE QUESTION POSED BY BRECK LAND BROWN, AN EIGHTH GRADER AT SPRINGVILLE JUNIOR HIGH IN SPRINGVILLE, UTAH AND HERE IS WHAT SHE WROTE, QUOTE, WHEN I WATCHED THE NEWS ALL I SEE IS ARGUE AING BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WHEN I WATCHED THE NEWS, ALL I SEE IS CITIZENS FIGHTING AGAINST CITIZEN, WHEN I WATCH THE NEWS ALL I SEE ARE TWO CANDIDATES FROM OPPOSING PARTIES TRYING TO TEAR EACH OTHER DOWN.

IF OUR LEADERS CAN'T GET ALONG, HOW ARE THE CITIZENS SUPPOSED TO GET ALONG?

AND THEN SHE ADDED, YOU ARE EXAMPLES COULD MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO BRING US TOGETHER.

END QUOTE.

SO TO EACH OF YOU IN TURN I WOULD LIKE WROTE UH TO TAKE ONE MINUTE AND RESPOND TO BRECK LAND, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.

>> BRECK LAND, IT IS A WONDERFUL QUESTION.

AND LET ME JUST COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING AN INTEREST IN PUBLIC LIFE.

I STARTED FOLLOWING THE NEWS WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG AND IN AMERICA WE BELIEVE IN A FREE AND OPEN EXCHANGE OF DEBATE.

AND WE CELEBRATE THAT AND IT IS HOW WE HAVE CREATED LITERALLY THE FREEST AND MOST PROSPEROUS NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

AND I TELL YOU THAT DON'T ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ON YOUR LOCAL NEWS NETWORKS IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBURG, THE LATE JUSTICE WE JUST LOST IN THE SUPREME COURT AND THE LATE JUSTICE ABOUT NINE IS A, IS ALLY, A THEY WERE ON POLAR OPPOSITES OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, ONE LIBERAL, ONE VERY CONSERVATIVE BUT WHAT HAS BEEN LEARNED SINCE THEIR PASSING THE TWO OF THEM AND THEIR TEAMS WERE VERY CLOSEST OF FRIENDS.

I MEAN HERE IN AMERICA WE CAN DISAGREE AND DEBATE VIGOROUSLY AS SENATOR HARRIS AND I HAVE ON THIS STAGE TONIGHT, BUT WHEN THE DEBATE IS OVER, WE COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO IN BIG CITIES AND SMALL TOWNS ALL ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU, BRECK LAND, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY TO HAVE GOVERNMENT AS GOOD AS OUR PEOPLE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EACH AND EVERY DAY.

LOVE A GOOD DEBATE.

WE LOVE A GOOD ARGUMENT A, BUT WE ALWAYS COME TOGETHER AND ARE ALWAYS THERE FOR ONE ANOTHER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IN TIMES OF NEED AND WE ESPECIALLY LEARNED THAT THROUGH THE DIFFICULTIES OF THIS YEAR.

>> THANK YOU.

SENATOR HARRIS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO BRECK LAND?

>> FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR, I LOVE TO HEAR FROM OUR YOUNG LEADERS AND WHEN I HEAR HER WORDS, WHEN I HEAR YOUR WORDS, BRECK LAND, I KNOW OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT BECAUSE IT IS THAT PERSPECTIVE ON WHO WE ARE AND WHO WE SHOULD BE.

THAT IS A SIGN OF LEADERSHIP AND IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL ASPIRE TO BE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT BRINGS ME TO JOE.

JOE BIDEN ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OWE DECIDED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IS AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, WITH WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, IT SO TROUBLED HIM AND UPSET HIM LIKE IT DID ALL OF US THAT THERE WAS THAT KIND OF HATE AND DIVISION WHAT PROPELLED JOE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT WAS TO SEE THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST FOUR YEARS WHAT BRECK LAND DESCRIBED HAS BEEN HAPPENING.

JOE HAS A LONGSTANDING REPUTATION OF WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE AND WORKING IN A BIPARTISAN WAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO AS REAL ESTATE.

JOE BIDEN HAS A HISTORY OF LIFTING PEOPLE UP AND FIGHTING FOR THEIR DIAGNOSIS HE, DIGNITY YOU 0 HAVE TO KNOW JOE'S STORY TO KNOW HE HAS KNOWN PAIN AND SUFFERING AND A HE HAS KNOWN LOVE AND SO, AND SO BRECK LAND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, I DO BELIEVE THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT AND IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR LEADERSHIP AND IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE FIGHT FOR EACH PERSON'S VOICE THROUGH THEIR VOTE AND WE GET ENGAGED THIS THIS ELECTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH YOUR WORK AND THROUGH EVENTUALLY YOUR VOTE TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT ITS LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE.

>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.

THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

WE WANT TO THANK ALSO THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH FOR ITS HOSPITALITY AND MOST OF ALL OUR THANKS TO ALL OF THE AMERICANS WHO WATCHED THIS DEBATE TONIGHT.

AGAIN OUR BEST WISHES FOR A QUICK RECOVERY TO PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE FIRST LADY AND EVERYONE WHO IS BATTLING COVID-19ED.

THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS NEXT WEEK ON OCTOBER 15TH, A TOWN HALL STYLE DEBATE IN MIAMI.

WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US THEN.

GOOD EVENING.

[ APPLAUSE ] >> Woodruff: AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, THE ONLY ONE OF THIS ELECTION SEASON.

I AM JUJU AT THE NEWSHOUR STUDIO, AND WE JUDY WOODRUFF, AT THE NEWSHOUR AND WE WATCHED CAM CA AND MIKE PENCE AND THEIR 0 PARTNERS COMING ON THE STAGE ON THIS VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, WE SEE DOUGLAS, THE HUSBAND OF KAMALA HARRIS WEARING A MASK.

THIS IS THE ONLY VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, THERE ARE STILL TWO MORE .. PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES THAT ARE SCHEDULED, ONLY A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AS YOU SEE BEHIND MODERATOR SUSAN PAGE.

THIS WAS A DEBATE WITH, I WOULD SAY SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE THE CANDIDATES WENT BEYOND THE TIME, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO.

BUT IT WAS A MUCH MORE CIVIL DEBATE THAN WHAT WE SAW LAST WEEK, WHEN THE PRESIDENT AND JOE BIDEN FACED OFF, THEY COVERED THE PANDEMIC, COVID, THEY COVERED THE ECONOMY, CLIMATE CHANGE, CHINA, THE SUPREME COURT AND THERE AT THE END ACCEPTING THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION AND A QUESTION FROM AN EIGHTH GRADE STUDENT ASKING WHY DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE IN PUBLIC LIFE CAN'T GET ALONG AND WHY IS THERE SO MUCH ARGUING.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW LET'S GO TO OUR CORRESPONDENTS FOLLOWING THESE CAMPAIGN AS, YAMICHE ALCINDOR, LISA DESJARDINS, BOTH BACK WITH ME, SO YAMICHE, YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE TRUMP-PENCE EFFORT VERY CLOSELY, WHAT DID YOU HEAR TONIGHT?

>> WELL, WHILE THIS DEBATE WAS VERY CIVIL, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS REALLY INTERRUPTING SENATOR HARRIS TO MAKE POINT AFTER POINT ABOUT THE PACKET THAT HE BELIEVES THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS THE BEST ADMINISTRATION TO GO FORWARD.

HE DEFENDED VIGOROUSLY THE PRESIDENT'S STATUS AND HIS RESPONSE TO THE CORONAVIRUS, HE SAID AT ONE POINT THAT THERE WAS HOT AN OFFICE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DEALING WITH PANDEMICS, DISSOLVED THAT IS NOT TRUE, THERE WAS AN OFFICE AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL THAT WAS DISSOLVED, WE ALSO SAW THE VICE PRESIDENT TALK ABOUT RATES AND HE SAID AT ONE POINT THAT LOOTING AND RIOTING WITH NO EXPENSE FOR THE, NO EXCUSE FOR THE DEATH THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF SOME LOOTING BUT ALSO PEACEFUL PRO TESTS AND ALSO WITH A DEFENDED THE PRESIDENT AND SAID HE NEVER TALKED ABOUT, NEVER SAID HE WOULD NOT CONDEMN WHITE SUPREME XIS, THE REAL ESTATE DID DO THAT BUT THE VICE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID THAT HE RESPECTS ALL AMERICANS AND THAT HIS JEWISH GRANDCHILDREN GIVE HIM A CONNECT SUGAR RAY SHU-CONNECTION TO RATE RACE I WANT TO PUT UP A GRAPHIC OF PEOPLE ON THE ISSUE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, IF WE PUT THAT UP, SCIENTIFIC CONSENT IS US IS KLIMENT CHANGE IS HUMAN CAUSED, TO 2014 TO 2017 TO CLIMATE CHANGE IS CAUSING STRONGER HURRICANES WORLDWIDE.

WE PUT THAT GRAPHIC UP BECAUSE AT ONE POINT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE SAID, YES, THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING BUT WE ARE NOT SURE WHY.

SCIENCE SHOWS THAT HUMANS ARE THE DEFINITELY IMPACTING THE CLIMATE SO THAT AGAIN YOU SAW THE VICE PRESIDENT AT TIMES GIVING MISLEADING INFORMATION BUT HE DID IT IN A MUCH LESS BRASH WAY THAN THE 43.

>> Woodruff: SO, LISA, AGAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE BIDEN HARRIS CAMPAIGN CLOSELY, WHAT STRUCK YOU TONIGHT?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HARRIS PERFORMANCE TOGETHER SHE WAS TRYING TO BE MORE WARM, AT THE SAME TIME GIVING A VERY SIMILAR TO JOE BIDEN, TO THINGS THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS SAYING THAT SHE FELT WERE LIES OR INACCURATE, KIND OF THAT GIVE ME A BREAK SMILE AND SHAKING OF HER HEAD.

BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT HARRIS SAID THAT WE FELT NEEDED SOME CONTEXT AS WELL.

FIRST ABOUT PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.

A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR MANY AMERICANS.

LET'S LOOK AT A GRAPHIC.

HARRIS SAID THAT THE TRUMP-PENCE CAMPAIGN IS COMING FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE A PREEXISTING CONDITION.

HERE IS WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S VIEW ON THAT.

HE PUT OUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER IN SEPTEMBER IN WHICH HE SAID HE HAS A COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS.

NOW, IT WAS ONLY A COMMITMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME THE PRESIDENT IS SUING TO OVERTURN AND END THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, WHICH PROVIDES INSURANCE TO MANY AMERICANS WHO WOULDN'T GET IT OR ALL OTHERWISE.

NOW HE HAS NOT COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR REPLACING OBAMACARE AND A JUDY, WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE END IS WHY WHILE THE PRESIDENT HAS EXPRESSED A STRONG COMPLIMENT TO PROTECT PREEXISTING CONDITIONS HE HAS NOT SAID HOW HE WILL DO IT, ENDING OBAMACARE WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE PEOPLE WITH PREEXISTING CONDITIONS MORE VULNERABLE IN THE INSURANCE MARKET AND THERE ARE AN ESTIMATED 20 MILLION OF THEM.

ONE OTHER THING ON THE CORONAVIRUS ITSELF, MODERATOR SUSAN PAGE ASKED THE VICE PRESIDENT, WHY AMERICA HAS SUCH LARGER RATES OF THE CORONAVIRUS THAN OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS.

WE WANT TO SHOW YOU 0 IN CONTEXT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THESE ARE -- THERE IS A GRAPHIC OF THE THE DAILY RATES OF DEATHS REPORTED IN INDUSTRIALIZED NIGHTS.

YOU SEE THAT LINE AT THE TOP, THAT IS THE UNITED STATES, THE PURPLE LINE, LEADING ALL OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS, ONE OTHER INTERESTING POINT ABOUT THAT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RATE OF CORONAVIRUS DEATHS, BY POPULATION, THE THE U.S. IS STILL AMONG THE LEADERS IN THE WORLD, BUT THERE ARE TWO OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS AHEAD OF IT, SPAIN AND BRAZIL.

BUT WE STILL ARE WAY IN FRONT FOR MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD.

>> Woodruff: AND THANK YOU FOR 0 THAT, LISA AND I WANT TO QUICKLY COME BACK TO YOU.

YAMICHE, BECAUSE IT SEEMED THAT WHEN THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S -- ABOUT A THIS ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD ON COVID, THE FACT THAT THE U.S. HAS HAD MANY MORE DEATHS PROPORTIONATELY BY POPULATION, THAN OTHER COUNTRIES, I DIDN'T HEAR AN ANSWER.

WHAT DID YOU HEAR?

>> IT WASN'T A CLEAR ANSWER, IN FACT, WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT DID WAS REALLY CONTINUE TO SAY, WELL, THE PRESIDENT DID THE BEST THAT HE COULD, THAT AT ONE POINT HE BANNED TRAVEL FROM CHINA.

HE ESSENTIALLY KEPT IN SOME WAYS REPEATING THE TALKING POINTS WE HAVE HEARD FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION.

HE DIDN'T REALLY SAY IN PARTICULAR, WE COULD HAVE DONE SOME THINGS BETTER, THE PRESIDENT AT TIMES DID DOWN PLAY THE VIRUS, SINNED HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE.

WHAT HE DID REALLY WAS PUT ON A GOOD FACE AND PUT ON AN IDEA THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SHOULD BE TRUSTED WITH THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND AS A RESULT THEY DID WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS RIGHT IN THE MOMENT AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT N SHOULD SAY HE DIDN'T REPEAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO COMPARING THE CORONAVIRUS TO THE FLU THE SEASONAL FLU, HE DIDN'T DO THAT, HE ALSO DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS SOME SORT OF CURE WHICH IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT TODAY.

>> Woodruff: AND AGAIN, AND BACK TO YOU, LISA, VERY QUICKLY, ON THE QUESTION OF THE POLICE, THE DEMONSTRATIONS, THE PROTESTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD, HOW DID YOU HEAR HOW SENATOR HARRIS ANSWERED THAT?

>> >> THE I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT EXCHANGE, BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW ANSWERS WHERE WE SAW A CLEAR CONTRAST, NEITHER CANDIDATES DODGING, A OFTEN WE HEARD VICE PRESIDENT PENCE NOT REALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTION, WE HEARD SENATOR HARRIS SAID SHE FELT JUSTICE WAS NOT SERVED IN THE LACK OF CHARGES IN THE CASE OF BREONNA TAYLOR AND WE HEARD VICE PRESIDENT PENCE SAID HE TRUST IT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THAT IS A CLEAR DIVIDE IN AMERICAN LIFE RIGHT NOW AND THEY EXPRESSED THAT ON THE STAGE.

>> Woodruff: ALL RIGHT.

LISA DESJARDINS, AGAIN, FOLLOWING THE BIDEN, HARRIS CAMPAIGN, AND YAMICHE FOLLOWING VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, AND WE ARE JOINED BY OUR PANEL, THAT IS AMY WALTER OF THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT, THEY HAVE IS ALSO HOST OF PUBLIC RADIO'S POLITICS WITH AMY WALTER, JONATHAN CAPEHART, POST".

HE JOINS US FROM WASHINGTON.

AND ALSO WITH US, ELIANA JOHNSON, THE EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE WASHINGTON FREEBIE CON.

SO, AMY, TO YOU FIRST, GET TO THE HEART OF IT.

WHAT ARE WE LEFT WITH AFTER THIS 90 MINUTE DEBATE?

>> WELL, JUDY, IT FELT LESS LIKE A DEBATE THAN SORT OF, TO DEBATE MORE THAN A RECITATION OF TALKING POINT, BOTH ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS IN THE WAY THEY A WANTED TO ABOUT, MAYBE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION AT ALL, GETTING TO THE TALKING POINT THEY WANTED TO DO.

OVERALL, BOTH OF THEM NOT THEIR DIGS IN, MIKE PENCE WANTED TO TURN THE ATTENTION TO BIDEN AND HARRIS AND THEIR RECORD.

HE TALKED A LOT ABOUT ESPECIALLY ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS'S PAST SUPPORT FOR THINGS LIKE THE GREEN NEW DEAL, A BAN ON FRACKING, ARGUING THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IF THOUGH COME IN WOULD MOVE VERY PAR TO THE LEFT ON ISSUES LIKE CLIMATE, ON RAISING TAXINGS, KAMALA HARRIS, OF COURSE, SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND THE FAILURES OF THE ADMINISTRATION ON THINGS LIKE COVID, BUT IN THE END, TO USE A TENNIS TERM, I THINK BOTH OF THEM BASICALLY HELD SERVE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, NOBODY REALLY MOVED THE BALL FORWARD OR BROKE ANYBODY'S SERVE.

WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH TENNIS, AND SO I THINK BY TOMORROW JUDY, WE ARE GOING TO BE BACK WHERE WE USUALLY ARE, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY IS COMING FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TWITTER FEED.

>> Woodruff: AND PROBABLY HAVING SOMETHING TO DO WITH COVID, WHICH THE PRESIDENT IS STILL BEING TREATED, TREATED FOR.

HIMSELF.

JONATHAN CAPEHART, YOU ARE PART OF OUR PANEL AND LISTENING TO THIS.

WHAT CAME ACROSS?

HOW DO YOU THINK THEY DID?

DID YOU AGREE WITH AMY IT WASN'T REALLY A DEBATE?

>> NO.

IT REALLY WAS ABOUT DEBATE.

PRIMARILY I THINK BECAUSE HAVEN'T PENCE FROM ALMOST THE BEGINNING THROUGHOUTED THE THROUGHOUTED THE RULES AND TALKED OVER THE KAMALA HARRIS AND THE MODERATOR, I THOUGHT GOING INTO THIS DEBATE, I THOUGHT SENATOR HARRIS HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE TO PROVE IN THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT HER AND TRYING TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION, COULD I SEE HER AS PRESIDENT?

COULD I SEE HER SITTING IN THE OVAL OFFICE IF, ONE, THE BIDEN HARRIS TICKET WERE ELECTED AND A, TWO, SHE WOULD HAVE TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE.

AND I THINK SHE COMPORTED HERSELF VERY, VERY WELL AND SHOWED SHE WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY GUFF FROM VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I DO AGREE WITH AIM A MY THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, THE TWO SIDES WERE ON THEIR TALKING POINTS BUT I DO THINK VICE PRESIDENT PENCE SPENT MOST OF HIS TIME ON DEFENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE QUESTIONS STARTING OUT ON THE CORONAVIRUS, AND THEN I THINK VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I MEAN, HE HAS MASTERED THE EARNESTNESS OF SAYING NOTHING.

AND, YOU KNOW, PLAYING TOTALLY TO THE AUDIENCE OF ONE, AND REALLY QUITE RANKLY WITH THE TALKING POINT HE WAS USING WHAT HE WAS SAYING IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENT'S RALLIES, HIS PRESS BRIEFINGS, HIS SOUTH LAWN TALKS, ALL THE SAME THINGS.

I THINK WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS DEBATE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO, IF THEY ARE STILL UNDECIDE WHO THEY WANTED TO VOTE FOR I THINK THEY GOT MORE NEW THINGS FROM SENATOR HARRIS THAN THEY DID FROM VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.

>> Woodruff: ELIANA JOHNSON, HOW GOOD OF A JOB DID THE VICE PRESIDENT DO TONIGHT OF HELPING THE MAN AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET TICKET?

>> , YOU KNOW, PENCE LAD A MUCH BIGGER CHALLENGE, THINK GOING INTO THIS DEBATE.

HE HAD AN UPHILL BATTLE GIVEN THE CENTRAL-ITY OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND HE HAD TO DO NO HARM, GIVEN BIDEN'S LEAD IN THE POLLS, AND I THINK WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS, THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS CONSTANTLY ON DEFENSE AND WAS WEAKER, AND I THINK HE DID -- I THINK HE DID A GOOD I DON'T KNOW ON JOBS, ENERGY, THE ECONOMY, ON CHINA AND PARTICULARLY ON PRESSING KAMALA HARRIS ABOUT WHETHER THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WOULD PACK THE SUPREME COURT.

BUT OVERALL, I THINK THESE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, THIS WAS INTERESTING TO SEE TWO PEOPLE, AS WAS MENTIONED KAMALA HARRIS COULD EASILY BE PRESIDENT AND MIKE PENCE A POTENTIAL REPUBLICAN CONTEND NEVER THE NEAR FUTURE, TO ME IT WAS REALLY MOST INTERESTING TO EVALUATE THROUGH THAT LENS.

>> Woodruff: WELL, COMING BACK TO YOU, AMY, ON THIS QUESTION, TO THE EXTENT KAMALA HARRIS NEEDED TO PROVE TONIGHT THAT -- MAKE HERSELF COMFORTABLE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THAT THEY COULD SEE HER THERE AS NUMBER 2 WITH JOE BIDEN, DID SHE DO THAT TONIGHT?

>> WITH I ABSOLUTELY THINK THAT SHE DID.

WHAT WE DIDN'T SEE, THOUGH, AND WE HAVE SEEN KAMALA HARRIS MANY VOTERS HAVE SEEN KAMALA HARRIS AS A PROSECUTOR, WHETHER IT WAS IN HER ROLE AS SENATOR, ESPECIALLY DURING THE KAVANAUGH HEARINGS OR IN OTHER MOMENTS ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN HER YET AS A FULL ON CANDIDATE AND HER PERSONALITY IN THE WAY WE MAY HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW IN ANOTHER TIME.

I THINK COVID HAS MEANT THAT WE ARE SPENDING VERY LITTLE TIME WITH THE CANDIDATES IN TRADITIONAL SETTINGS, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A FILLED OUT VERSION OF WHO KAMALA HARRIS IS, AND QUITE FRANKLY THAT WASN'T HER JOB TONIGHT AND THAT'S NOT REALLY THE JOB OF THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, THEIR JOB IS TO DEFEND THE TOP OF THE TICKET, TO PROSECUTE THE CASE, BUT I DO THINK THAT AT SOME POINT AND WE MAY SEE IT IN THIS NEXT DEBATE, THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT, THAT PROSECUTING OF THE CASE AGAINST TRUMP IS NOT AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE, IT IS SELLING THE CASE FOR WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, THEY BEING THE BIDEN-HARRIS TICKET AS THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION.

AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE VOTERS ARE REALLY GOING TO -- WHAT THEY ARE REALLY GOING TO BE CLAMORING FOR IS, UNDERSTANDING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT LIFE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY WERE IN OFFICE.

>> Woodruff: AND PEEKING OF THAT, JONATHAN CAPEHART, TO THE EXTENT THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS GOING AFTER KAMALA HARRIS ON THE GREEN NEW DEAL, ON THE FACT, ON HIS ASSERTION THAT JOE BIDEN WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES ON DAY ONE, BECAUSE HE SAID HE WILL REPEAL THE TRUMP TAX CUTS, DO YOU THINK HE MADE THINK HEADWAY IN GIVING PEOPLE PAUSE ABOUT WHETHER JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO MAKE IT TOUGHER ON PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOODS?

>> I DON'T THINK SO.

I REALLY DON'T.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE GREEN NEW DEAL AND WHAT HE SAID ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WERE JUST SORT OF RETREADS OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS, AND I THINK THAT SENATOR HARRIS WAS ACTUALLY VERY EFFECTIVE IN TAKING THE ATTACK AND TURNING IT INTO, OKAY, HERE IS WHAT WE, THE BIDEN-HARRIS TICKET ARE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND IN TERMS OF JOBS, MY JOB HERE IS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, RECITE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WOULD DO, BUT I DO THINK IN RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS AND FROM SUSAN PAGE AND IN RESPONSE TO ATTACKS FROM VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I THINK SENATOR HARRIS DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF THEN TAKING THE QUESTION ANSWERING IT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN PIVOTING TO HERE THERE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, FORWARD LOOKING, FUTURE FACED.

>> Woodruff: AND FINALLY, ELIANA, IN TERMS OF THEIR, THE WAY THE TWO OF THEM CAME ACROSS IN HOW THEY RESPONDED TO QUESTIONS OR DIDN'T, HOW THEO PAID OR DIDN'T WHAT THE RULES WERE, LOOKING AT THE CAMERA, LOOKING AT THE AUDIENCE, YOU DID THEY COME ACROSS AS PEOPLE?

>> IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION, AND I AT THIS IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE MIGHT WANT TO ACT A KNOWLEDGE.

THE FORMAT, AS THE OTHER PANELISTS MENTIONED DIDN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO INTERACTION BETWEEN THE TWO BUT I HAVE TO SAY I FOUND BOTH OF THEM SOMEWHAT DISTRACTING IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

KAMALA HARRIS SEEMED NOT TO REALIZE SHE WAS ON A SPLIT SCREEN OR IF SHE DID WASN'T DOING A GREAT JOB OF CONTROLLING HER PACE AND I THINK HER SMIRKS AND SOME OF HER GRIMACES WERE A LITTLE BIT DISTRACTING AND IN THE SAME VEIN, THE VICE PRESIDENT HAD SORT OF POLITENESS THAT WAS CLEARLY ON OFFER BUT HE IS A SLOW TALKER BUT GOING OVER TIME WAS ALSO DISTRACTING, SO THIS WAS NOTHING LIKE WHAT WE SAW LAST WEEK IN THE DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHERE CLEARLY PERSONALITY WAS FRONT AND CENTER, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE WERE SMALL THINGS THAT WERE DISTRACTING ON BOTH OF THEIR PARTS.

>> SO IN THE LITTLE BIT OF TIME I HAVE LEFT WITH THE THREE OF YOU, AMY, ELIANA'S POINT IS EXACTLY RIGHT, THIS IS NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENT FROM LAST WEEK'S DEBATE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND JOE BIDEN, BUT, AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT TOMORROW, SAY IT AGAIN?

>> YEAH.

EXACTLY.

I MEAN, SWRIEW AT THIS, I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE DEBATE THAT ELIA THAT WAS REFERENCING WAS ONLY A WEEK AGO, AND IT FELT LIKE TWO YEARS AGO AND SO I THINK FOR A PUBLIC THAT HAS BEEN SO WHIPSAWED BY EVENTS, OPINIONS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP HAVE BEEN PRETTY WELL SOLIDIFIED.

I THINK THE PIECE THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEBATED ENOUGH IS THE POLICIES, AND WHAT THINGS ARE GOING TO MEAN FOR REGULAR PEOPLE, RATHER THAN JUST WHAT THE PERSONALITIES OF THE CANDIDATES ARE LIKE.

>> Woodruff: WELL, IT IS A LOT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THREE OF YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT, AMY, WALTER, JONATHAN CAPEHART, ELIANA JOHNSON FOR JOINING US TO ANALYZE TONIGHT'S VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.

NOW, OUR SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT, AMNA NAWAZ HAS BEEN WATCHING THIS DEBATE, ALONG WITH A GROUP OF AMERICANS, IT IS PART OF OUR VOICE OF THE VOTERS PROJECT, SO AM NAAH, GIVE US, A.M. NAAH, GIVE US AN EARLY SENSE, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF THEIR REACTION?

>> YES, JUDY, SO I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS DEBATE, ON KIND OF A ZOOM PARTY WITH THESE FOLKS, WHO GOT SIX VOTERS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, WHO ARE, WHO WE ARE ALL GETTING THE TO KNOW EACH OTHER, THEY ARE FROM TENNESSEE, FROM PENNSYLVANIA, FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, OHIO, CALIFORNIA AND NEW JERSEY, AND GETTING THEIR REACTIONS PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE REALLY GIVES YOU A SENSE OF HOW SOME OF THOSE MESSAGES WERE LANDING WITH VOTERS WHO ARE WELL THINKING HARD ABOUT THEIR VOTES.

I SHOULD BE CLEAR, MOST OF THESE VOTERS ARE LEANING VERY STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BUT THEY ARE REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THE DEBATES.

BECAUSE THEY WANT TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEIR VOTE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND AT THE LAST MINUTE IF THEY HAVE TO.

SO A REALLY QUICK TAKE-AWAYS I WANT TO SHARE A FROM THE CONVERSATIONS ALONG THE WAY.

TO ECHO WHAT THE ANALYSTS SAID.

ALL OF THESE VOTERS WERE SO DISAPPOINTED AFTER THE LAST DEBATE, THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, THAT BAR WAS VERY LOW GOING IN TO TONIGHT.

THEY ARE VERY PLEASANTLY SURPRISED THAT THE DEBATE WAS CIVIL AND THAT BOTH CANDIDATES REALLY SEEMED TO BE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS DO IT DIRECTLY OR SAY SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS WANTED TO HEAR.

SCARLETT WHO 0 IS A TEACHER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA SAID SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A LOT PARTY THAN LAST TIME, SHE A THOUGHT, SHE THOUGHT RESPECT PENCE WAS VERY EL ELOQUENT AND EACH SIDE WAS BASICALLY SPEAKING TO 0 THEIR OWN SIDE, NOBODY WAS THERE TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY OF SOMETHING ELSE.

LORRAINE A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IN CALIFORNIA THOUGHT SHE THOUGHT THE CANDIDATES SPOKE MUST HAVE TO THE MOST VULNERABLE, DIDN'T SPEAK ENOUGH TO THE MOST NEEDY AMERICANS AND WAS EVEN DISAPPOINTED IN THE WAY SENATOR HARRIS FLOSSED OVER SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND ALSO ECHOED SOMETHING WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF THE VOTERS SHE FELT THE CANDIDATES DID A LOT OF STORY TELLING AND A LOT OF ANECDOTES AND WASTING TIME, THEY SAID AND THEY DIDN'T ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY, JERRY WHO WAS FROM TENNESSEE, SAID HE FELT SOME OF THE MORE INTENSE MOMENTS 2210 CANDIDATE BASICALLY CAME DOWN TO A DIFFERENCE IN DEBATE STYLE AND HE DIDN'T HEAR A TON OF SUBSTANCE?

WHAT HE HEARD TONIGHT BUT THAT HE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU EXPECT GOING INTO A DEBATE LIKE THIS.

AUSTIN, TO ME, IS ONE OF THE MOST AS NEIGH VOTERS TO TRACKING ALL OF NO, BECAUSE SHE IS A COLLEGE STUDENT, SHE A SENIOR, WILL SE THERE OHIO, COMES FROM A FAMILY OF REPUBLICANS, BUT HE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT VOTING FOR VICE PRESIDENT BIDE BIDEN IN THIS ELECTION.

HE SURPRISED ME, JUDY AND SAID HE WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY THEY WERE TALKING MUCH MORE ABOUT A FOREIGN POLICY TONIGHT, I ASKED HIM WHY, HE SAID BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT COMMAND THEY ARE CHIEF AND VICE PRESIDENT, AND IT MATTERS, IT IS IMPORTANT, HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT ENOUGH LAST TIME, I ALSO THINK JUDY BETWEEN YOU AND ME, IT IS BECAUSE HE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF MIDTERMS HE HAS ONE TOMORROW MORNING AND IT IS ON INTERNATIONAL POLITICS SO I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF STUDYING GOING ON AS SHE WATCHING.

BUT BASICALLY THEY ARE ALL PAYING VERY, VERY CLOSE ATTENTION, THEY WERE HAPPY AND SURPRISED PLEASANTLY SO BY WHAT THEY SAW TONIGHT, NOBODY SEEMS TO HAVE REALLY CHANGED THEIR MIND, BUT, AGAIN I HAVE TO CHECK BACK WITH HIM AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

JUDY.

>> Woodruff: A.M. NAAH I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT AND FOLLOWING THAT ON THE NEWSHOUR ONLINE, AMNA I AM STRUCK WHAT YOU SAID AT THE OUT SET THEY WERE RELIEVED OR GLAD FJ THAT THIS DEBATE DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY LAST WEEK'S DEBATE DID, WHERE YOU HAD THE PRESIDENT BE VERY AGGRESSIVE, DOING A LOT OF INTERRUPTING, JOE BIDEN USING SOME PRETTY STRONG TERMS, SHALL WE SAY TO DESCRIBE THE PRESIDENT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE VOTERS DO RESPECT THE PROCESS OF THE DEBATE.

>> JUDY, I CANNOT STRESS TO YOU HOW FRUSTRATED THEY WERE, FOR THING WHO WATCHED THE CONVERSATION THAT WE CONTINUED ONLINE AFTER THE FIRST DEBATE, THERE WAS A GENERAL BIPARTISAN UNANIMOUS SENSE THEY LEARNED NOTHING, IT WAS TIME WASTED AND THAT THE ENTIRE PROCESS HAD BEEN DEBASED IN SOME WAY.

TONIGHT, I THINK SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY HIV LEARNED SOMETHING, THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO UNFOLD, AND IN MANY WAYS THEY ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS WE HEARD A FROM THE EIGHTH GRADER'S QUESTION AT THE END THERE, BRECK LAND BROWN WHO BASICALLY SAID, WE NEED HAVE CIVIL DEBATE.

WHY CAN'T WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE IN A CIVIL WAY?

WE ARE GOING TO SEE WHAT ALL OF THESE VOTERS HAVE TO SAY IN JUST A LITTLE WHILE AS A YOU 0 MENTIONED JUDY AND CONTINUE THE WHOLE CONVERSATION ONLINE AND REALLY DIG INTO THE ISSUES TO GET ALL OF THEIR TAKE-AWAYS.

>> Woodruff: JUDY, BACK TO YOU.

>> Woodruff: SO GLAD, AMNA YOU MENTIONED THE EIGHTH GRADER QUESTION, WHAT A GREAT IDEA TO BRING THAT IN AT THE END AND ASK A QUESTION FRANKLY THAT A LOT OF AMERICANS HAVE WHICH IS WHY ISN'T THERE MORE CIVILITY IN THE WAY POLITICIANS TALK TO EACH OTHER.

SO AMNA NAWAZ WILL HAVE A BUSY NIGHT, CONTINUING HER CONVERSATION WITH THESE VOTERS.

AND WITH THAT, WE CONCLUDE THIS "PBS NEWSHOUR" SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, I DO WANT TO THANK OUR CORRESPONDENTS, YAMICHE ALCINDOR, LISA DESJARDINS, AND AS YOU JUST HEARD, AMNA NAWAZ, AND THANKS AGAIN TO OUR PANEL, AMY WALTER, JONATHAN CAPEHART AND ELIANA JOHNSON.

AND ON THE "PBS NEWSHOUR" ONLINE, AS WE SAID, OUR COVERAGE CONTINUES ON, AND WE WILL BE TALKING LIVE THE WGBH THE PANEL OF VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY -- VOICE OF THE VOTERS STARTS RIGHT NOW AT PBS.ORG/NEWSHOUR.

FOR ALL OF US HERE AT THE NEWSHOUR, I AM A JUDY WOODRUFF, THANK YOU, AND PLEASE STAY SAFE AND GOOD NIGHT.

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